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posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Why is it that citizens of the US must show respect, yet a foreign students disrespect must be ignored?




posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 05:38 PM
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Who cares if she pledges or not, the girl who insulted the other deserved to be kicked out of school for the time, you don't insult someone because of there religous clothing. She has the right to wear that as much as us wearing pants.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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I think I'll have to side with the above poster on this one. If the girl doesn't want to stand, then she shouldn't have to. That doesn't mean she's an America hating A-rab.

On the other hand, I understand why someone may get upset if another person decides to sit during the Pledge of Alliegance. You love your country, and feel others should too. Fair enough, nothing wrong with that. However, berating the person after the fact is a poor way to handle the situation, which is I think the issue here.

This quote I find a little disturbing though:

"Terrorists, regardless of who they are, what color they are, are the enemy," she said."

FEMA camp guard in training.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by hangedman13
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Why is it that citizens of the US must show respect, yet a foreign students disrespect must be ignored?


Lead by example?



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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Who cares if she pledges or not, the girl who insulted the other deserved to be kicked out of school for the time, you don't insult someone because of there religous clothing. She has the right to wear that as much as us wearing pants.


So the black who says to me "I'm going to rip your t!! off B!tch" should be fired or at least given a warning? How come it never works that way. Instead you are called "too thin skinned" if you make the mistake of saying anything and then accused of being a racist. I really hate the PC double standard.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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I dont' see how she is disrespecting anybody. She is from another country and is not American born, why should she stand for something that she is not apart of?

My children were adopted from various countries and I would not expect them to stand for Canada's Athem or any sort of "Patriotic" activity.

It's amazing to me that people love to scream foul whenever an immigrant doesn't do things exactly like actual citizens.

Welcome to America, the worlds melting pot.

~Keeper



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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Perhaps the problem here is that Ms. ROTC is an idiot.

These are students in school, not soldiers in the army. It's very nice that she is going to the army next year, but she's not there yet, and the other students certainly are not.

It is not the job of a 16 year old student (regardless of what leadership position she thinks her camo jacket bestows upon her) to criticize the conduct of other students. Nor is there some law that the Muslim student violated by not standing up.

Had the Junior General simply walked up and said "You know, I really think you should stand for the Pledge" and given some reasons why, no one would have a problem. But instead, she chose to begin with an ignorant statement "take that thing off your head."

Who in their right mind would take anything that person has to say seriously after an opening statement like that?

This isn't so much about political correctness as it is a girl being a moron who could use some training in the common sense department before moving on to the military.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by hangedman13
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Why is it that citizens of the US must show respect, yet a foreign students disrespect must be ignored?

I will chime in on this one:
This is the way that the student handled it. Had she went to the teacher in the classroom and made a complaint and nothing was done, then I would say that the complaint would have been valid, but by verbally attacking the other student and what was stated is the main reason that this is bad.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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I'm a Catholic and I decided for myself that I might pledge allegiance to my fellow Americans but that a flag is a symbol and can be used as a false idol, so I don't pledge allegiance to it.

I pay taxes. I help my American neighbor in distress. I am good to my fellow Americans, helping them in their time of need, I try to make my country the country I want my children to live in, but other than that...my allegiance is to G-d.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
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Who cares if she pledges or not, the girl who insulted the other deserved to be kicked out of school for the time, you don't insult someone because of there religous clothing. She has the right to wear that as much as us wearing pants.


So the black who says to me "I'm going to rip your t!! off B!tch" should be fired or at least given a warning? How come it never works that way. Instead you are called "too thin skinned" if you make the mistake of saying anything and then accused of being a racist. I really hate the PC double standard.


You could make a serious sexual harassment or hostile work environment case. Get the ACLU on your side.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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Freedom is choosing to sit down during the pledge of allegiance.

And you don't always know why someone is choosing to sit. For all you know the girl was feeling ill or having dizzy spells.

But to force someone to pledge to a flag when they don't want is NOT freedom.

The price of freedom means seeing people express things that you don't agree with.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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I guess if you see your leader disgrace our national anthem by not following protocol, it must be okay.

ofc, this is the worst rendition of the national anthem I've ever heard, I'd have given him credit had he put his hands over his ears.


obama with hands down during national anthem



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
I dont' see how she is disrespecting anybody. She is from another country and is not American born, why should she stand for something that she is not apart of?

My children were adopted from various countries and I would not expect them to stand for Canada's Athem or any sort of "Patriotic" activity.

It's amazing to me that people love to scream foul whenever an immigrant doesn't do things exactly like actual citizens.

Welcome to America, the worlds melting pot.
~Keeper


Ok I disagree, I was still in school when I moved from the US to Canada. My first day in school the teacher told me I didn't have to stand for the Canadian Anthem. I did anyways, quitely and with my head bowed as a sign of respect! When we visited a middle eastern country my mother had to have her hair and limbs fully covered because to do less is illegal and disrespectful to the local people.

When you are in someone elses country you should be respectful - period. No exceptions. Go to a Canadian NFL game and watch, everyone stands for the Canadian Anthem and if the visitors are from the states then they also stand for the American anthem... because it's polite.

In response to nixie_nox
Your wrong, freedom is the right to not have to say the pledge. It's bad manners to sit, as it's bad manners to wear a hat indoors or not hold open a door for a lady.

All that being said the other girl totally miss handled this whole issue.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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Ok, IMO the American girl was a little harsh, and she was definitely wrong to tell her to take off her hijab and act like a proud American. If she was a foreign exchange student (or even if she is an American citizen, but I thought somewhere I saw it say she was foreign), she does not have to conform to American standards and ideals. She does not have to act like a proud citizen of our nation. She does not need to change the way she dresses. However, the Muslim student probably should have stood up out of a matter of respect. She did not have to say the pledge, but she could at least stand and be respectful.

Whenever I am at a sports event and they play the national anthem of another country, I stand up out of respect, even if I am not a citizen of that nation. Or if I am on vacation in a foreign country, and they have a pledge or national anthem, I stand up to show my respect.

It's the polite, and respectful, thing to do.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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I wanna know why it is we sing anthems at sporting events? Whats the correlation? We don't sing anthems at the beginning of a movie or play.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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Loving your country is one thing, but if the student not standing wasn't clearly a Muslim, would this ROTC student still have made it a point to confront her at a later time? It's doubtful. IMO if a white, christian student was sitting in a classroom during the pledge and GI Jane passed by in the hallway, she wouldn't have given it a second thought.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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Wow I sat back and I love where this went. The train of thought I had was out of respect for the country stand and don't say anything.[barring any medical issue] I am tired of the double standard of respect. We protect your right to practice your faith at least honor the symbol of the country. No I feel the ROTC girl was a little to gung ho! Do not disrespect anyone else's beliefs. I just think two wrongs were committed and only one is being acknowledged!



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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I'm an American, born and raised, and I refuse to stand during the national anthem or pledge of allegiance. I love this country. I love my beliefs more.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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All depends on where you go. On military posts, for instance, you will hear the anthem before movies. And that goes for some other theatres I've been to in the Midwest as well.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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The Muslim was American - when will you people learn Christianity is not American - further no person has the right to demand someone take off their clothes, especially to force them to conform to the own egotistical narrow world view.

America was founded by Puritans - which of you are Puritans ? I will bet almost none. Hence, this Muslim would have about the same right to demand you take off your protestant, catholic, born again, evangelical, Presbyterian, 7th day garb for being un- American.....and she would be wrong too.



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