reply to post by Fromabove
Hi From Above
" Sooo simple you're going to miss it, but here goes.
The Earth was already here when God said
"Let there be light "
because if you read genesis, you will see that the Earth was without form and void, translation for you, had no life on it and was empty (of any
living thing, a desolate place ) Darkness (thick clouds) covered the earth, and the earth was covered in water (the deep).
In the second part it is more about Mankind specifically and God, the Garden of God and the fall of man. God already told of how he replenished the
earth in Genesis 1.
Not sure what you mean, 'translation for you' - the paleoHebrew is clearly some kind of magick-spell (Heb. 'tohu wa bohu') meaning something like
'shapeless and zero' i.e. gooey like an amoeba.
The opening lines are expressed in the imperfect tense in the unpointed (un-vowelled) paleoHebrew versions e.g.
'When Elohim set about creating the heavens and the earth, the earth was shapeless and formless, and darkness permeated the faces of the Tehom
(watery deep? cf: Babylonian TIAMAT, 'the monstress of Chaos') , and the Ruach Elohim ('the wind of the gods') brooded (i.e. circled e.g. over the
nest like a dove) upon the faces of the waters of Creation...then Elohim said, Let light be; then light came into being..."
The 1st creation myth (gen 1: 1 to 2:4a) is chock-full of Babylonian loan-words (the priests of YHWH & Baal and Asherah etal. had been exiled into
Babylon in 587 BCE where they met their cousins from the north exiled into Assyria in 722 BCE - and thus had plenty of time on their hands to re-work
the creation myths of the Babylonians and the Assyrian priests !)
Don't forget however that the 2nd creation myth (the one with Adam and Chavvah and the Rib and the Snake and the Trees) found in Gen 2:4b to 4:26 is
written in a DIFFERENT PaleoHebrew style (different Weltanschauung, vocabulary, different theology, different word order, different syntax, different
sentence length, different poetical metres etc.) from the 1st creation Myth (Gen 1:1 to 2:4a) - so don't even try to mix them up - they were written
by two different groups with two different world view and agendas.
If you'll notice by comparing the two myths side by side, the 1st one has a watery chaos followed by a division of light from darkness then the
waters above and the waters below and the dry land separated, then vegetation and trees bearing fruit etc. then the two great lights e.g. the sun the
moon and then the stars were created (!!!!!) then the watery beasts then birds etc. then land beasts then reptiles that creep on the grond etc. and
finally ADAM who is BOTH MALE AND FEMALE ('and he called THEIR name ADAM in the Day in which they were created' - the same writer re-appears in Gen
5:1-2) i.e. created TOGETHER - all neatly divided into 6 days, then ELOHIM takes a breather and innaugurates the Shabbat (a play on words meaning the
number '7' and also meaning 'rest' in paleoHebrew) - then wam ! bam ! the 2nd creation myth starts in Gen 2:4b where there is a pre-existing earth
that has some kind of fountain watering the ground, requiring a gardener, so YHWH-ELOHIM (a different god than in the 1st Creation myth) forms (YATZAR
i.e. shape from mud, a diferent word from BARA to create from nothing as in the 1st myth) Adam from the mud and 'breathes into his nostrils the
breath of life and Adam becomes a living NEPHESH ('breather') ; then YHWH ELOHIM begins to 'form' animals from the mud and begins to bring them
one by one to the Adam for a sex-mate, but none are suitable, although Adam 'names them'; finally YHWH-ELOHIM puts Adam into a coma and removes a
rib (it is a fallacy that women and men have a different number of ribs, but there you are) and 'forms' from his 'side' a woman (the English word
derives from WOMB+ MAN i.e. a man with a womb) to be his sex mate partner - but refuses to breathe into her nostrils the breath of life - hence
according to the Rebbes, females have no 'souls' and are thus more prone to demon possession !
Either way, the 1st creation myth of the Jews has Male and Female created on the 6th day (i.e. last) and made together and both called ADAM; whereas
the 2nd Creation Myth has Adam first then animals then Havvah (the name means 'gossiper' or 'chatterer'; whereas the original Heb. was HAYYAH i.e.
life-giver - the next phrase states proudly 'so named because she was the Mother of all Living') - Yod and Vav are similar in paleoHebrew horned
So you can see the order of Creation is different in the 2 Creation Myths (i.e. #1 Gen 1:1 to 2:4a when compared with #2 Gen 2:4b - 4:26) in
But the point of this thread is why do people jump on the Genesis Jewish Creation Myth Bandwagon when discussing the possibility of Intelligent Design
- it doesn't have to be so !!