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reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 07:15 PM by sigil23
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Memphis-Misraim may still be an active rite. here is a link to a site claiming to be of this tradition. www.iss-ic-memphis-misraim.com...
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Anyways, I am not ashamed for bashing masons, for I myself do not indulge in such flights of ignorance. I must admit though, that I had my suspicions about them when I was younger and less wise about occult traditions and the esoteric/exoteric mystery schools. As I know, from reading masonic literature,and by having masonic friends throughout my life, Freemasonry consists primarily in continuing the traditions of a variety of mystery schools; i.e. Egyptian, Kabbalistic, Rose+Croix... and the list goes on.

One reason for the "secrecy" that some choose to rage about is merely because of the fact that some of the oral traditions and teachings of Freemasonry are of a symbolic nature that is not easily understood in normal states of consciousness, and also because some of the masonic teachings may or may not be a point of contention for some fundamentalist sects who believe that their truth is the only "god-ordained" truth.

Anyone who wants to know a little more about the Freemasons, or just esotericism, alchemy, or spirituality in general, please feel free to click on the link in my signature; which will lead you to my 4shared where you can download many such texts or view them with adobe reader. Many of them are in pdf format, so they can be viewed without having to even download them.

Love and Light to you all,

sigil23


[edit on 31/8/09 by sigil23]


reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 07:25 PM by Doomsday 2029
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
And yes, from what I understand about freemasonry, ACCORDING TO OTHER FREEMASONS, is that their are very corrupt branches or lodges, some that even carry out the work of the occult, or what I like to refer to as: Luciferianism.


Anybody joker can hang out a shingle and call himself a Mason and gather together a group that calls itself a masonic lodge. Nothing to prevent that and if they cross some moral, ethical or legal bound, the likes of you don't make the distinction between them and Regular Masons. Regular Masonry (the Masonry practised by virtually every self-identifying Mason in the world) is what most people think of when the subject comes up and the various Grand Lodges ensure that any other Grand Lodge they associate with can be held up to the same esteem as their own. Irregular lodges (a la P2 for instance) are simply not representative of real Masonry.

In the same manner, do you think the Westboro Baptist church (the one that protests around soldiers' funerals and such) is representative of Baptists? If so, you're making the same kind of mistaken assumption as you're making about Masonry.



Yea... and George Bush calls himself a Christian

What are you trying to prove here?

That Freemasonry the way you understand it is a beautiful thing? Fine. I'm sure it's wonderful dude.

You sound like a Muslim trying to defend Islam, and how the radicals carrying out a jihad/ holy war are not representative of the religion. While I can understand what you are saying, You cannot deny that (the Masonry practised by virtually every self-identifying Mason in the world) has it's group of "radicals" too.

Give it up man, Freemasonry just like any organized religion, or any agency in the government, or any political party, or any big time corporation has it's coruption and sins as well.

It's too bad that many of you can't admit this.

But hey... I understand why you feel this way, so it's pointless for me to carry on with this debate. It's like arguing with a person who is defending his religion as "righteous".

You know maybe there was a time when Freemasonry represented something great, Well I can assure you that in 2009 it appears that the Masonic reputation has been tarnished.




Is that what you call a brotherhood?



reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 07:56 PM by Melyanna Tengwesta
reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder



A group of people, or an ideology, is not necessarily ALL bad IMHO.

What makes EVERY thing, every idea, every group bad is the evilness that lives in EVERY individual ego.

The ignorance of all those who call themselves Enlightend and Wise because they think they KNOW something important is unbelievable.

The bashing of anyone who doesn't fit in the imaginary BOX people create to put other people in to, is also unbelievable.

So easy to JUDGE and so ignorant to see and search deep in themselves!!

Walk in Peace Spooky Fox Mulder!!!


reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 09:53 PM by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Anybody joker can hang out a shingle and call himself a Mason and gather together a group that calls itself a masonic lodge. Nothing to prevent that and if they cross some moral, ethical or legal bound, the likes of you don't make the distinction between them and Regular Masons. Regular Masonry (the Masonry practised by virtually every self-identifying Mason in the world) is what most people think of when the subject comes up and the various Grand Lodges ensure that any other Grand Lodge they associate with can be held up to the same esteem as their own. Irregular lodges (a la P2 for instance) are simply not representative of real Masonry.

In the same manner, do you think the Westboro Baptist church (the one that protests around soldiers' funerals and such) is representative of Baptists? If so, you're making the same kind of mistaken assumption as you're making about Masonry.


Yea... and George Bush calls himself a Christian

What are you trying to prove here?

That Freemasonry the way you understand it is a beautiful thing? Fine. I'm sure it's wonderful dude.


I'm trying to demonstrate that if you can't (or choose not to) make a distinction between real Masons and people who just call themselves masons, then your judgement is suspect.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
You sound like a Muslim trying to defend Islam, and how the radicals carrying out a jihad/ holy war are not representative of the religion.


Sorry to have offended you. You appreciate that all Muslims are not terrorists? You're talking about the Islam equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church as if they're representative of all Muslims. Here's a news flash for you: they're not! Not anymore than the Westboro yahoos are representative of Baptists in particular or Christians in general.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
While I can understand what you are saying, You cannot deny that (the Masonry practised by virtually every self-identifying Mason in the world) has it's group of "radicals" too.


You seem not to understand that someone calling himself a mason and then acting in a decidedly non-masonic manner puts the lie to your assertion that he's practising "the Masonry practised by virtually every self-identifying Mason in the world". If I call myself a taxi driver, buy the hat, rent the car for the day from the plate owner and then proceed to get lost on every fare I have, I can't really claim to be an actual taxi driver, no matter what I say can I?

This is why I made the distinction in my earlier post between Regular Masons and irregular masons, the former being the overwhelming majority that doesn't make for exciting conspiracy theories and the latter the perfect fodder for the aforementioned. But the latter aren't real Masons no matter the protestations of those who'd rather the opposite be the case.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Give it up man, Freemasonry just like any organized religion, or any agency in the government, or any political party, or any big time corporation has it's coruption and sins as well.


It's too bad that many of you can't admit this.

You probably don't realise this but the very structure of Regular Masonry makes that sort of ongoing subterfuge and operating at cross-purposes to the tenets of Masonry impossible within its structure. Certainly there's been individuals within Regular Masonry who've shown themselves unworthy of being members of the fraternity. And guess what? Gone! Ex-masons!

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
But hey... I understand why you feel this way, so it's pointless for me to carry on with this debate. It's like arguing with a person who is defending his religion as "righteous".


I'm repeatedly pointing out to you that everybody who calls themselves a Mason (or a Baptist or an M.D. or a cab driver) isn't necessarily. You seem to prefer your argument that everyone who claims to be a Mason is one and all actions of that individual reflect on all other Masons. You want to believe that? Knock yourself out. Just don't act surprised when someone calls you on it.
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