Creationists attacking evolution do so on it's own grounds, then claim that as an argument for creationism. It's not, it's an argument against evolution. (which is fine by itself, every Theory has some holes in it, poke away!) The Earth is 6000 years old vs the Earth is 4.5 billion years old is a whole other debate altngether, mainly it seems for geologists, palaeotologists, archaeologists, astrologists (astronomists? always get those two mixed up) etc to fight over. What came before the Big Bang and if there was one is for physicists and philosophers to puzzle over. To put it bluntly, THERE IS NO DEBATE when attempting to, well, debate creationism vs evolution. They do not conflict, save where you make them do so by taking creation myths literally. Looking at peoples posts, all I can see is people bashing their heads against brick walls on both sides of the imaginary argument for no reason other than there is no real debate. Where there is are isolated pockets with nothing to do with each other (eg the young earth theory has nothing to do with whether or not the big bang happened, just as abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution). Evolution can exist side by side with faith, but only if you don't take creation stories literally.

Another thing is it seems that our friends on the other side of the pond have no religious education programs at all, whilst here in England you take it in both primary and secondary school (I did), which is a shame because it tends to open your eyes to different faiths, and the creation stories were something I personally enjoyed the most. If you're after something similar then I say go for it, but it seems the consensus on here is mostly along the lines of sure, teach it in mythology/religious education/ancient history/philosophy or an elective college course... just don't elect to have it forced down young peoples throats as the absolute, only, undeniable truth. Because that would more likely destroy their ability to think for themselves... and we all know that's what TPTB wants you and your children to be like, unquestioning.

I leave you with what I learned in science:

Question Everything

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Great post. I see, all too much, the threads on who has to prove what. Just believe whatever you want and don't push it on others. In my humble opinion.

Yep, S&F, the two theories shoudl be teached on atleast too those who wants an alternate understanding.
And I think we would get much farther if both teams worked for an commen cause : the truth of universe and what is it in..

What out side it is another thread,

The problem is that some people do push their beliefs on others, some do take creationist myths literally and some do claim that they are scientific.

There are also areas where there is necessary conflict between ideas. I agree that you could have a creationist myth that was compatible with evolution; however if you say that god created all creatures as we now know them, and/or that man was created separate from all others then that conflicts with evolution.

Originally posted by Mike_A
The problem is that some people do push their beliefs on others, some do take creationist myths literally and some do claim that they are scientific.

There are also areas where there is necessary conflict between ideas. I agree that you could have a creationist myth that was compatible with evolution; however if you say that god created all creatures as we now know them, and/or that man was created separate from all others then that conflicts with evolution.

Nice thoughts, but you are allready pushing evolution as the absolute and only way we could come to be..

I do not think the Earth is only 6000 years old, I have never said it so I hope no one here at ats thinks Im believing that ..

But, life on it I dont believe came from just one cell in a pond of boiling acid water..

I do not see any impossibilities about the Alien Gods coming here and making it work for their part, which results in, the we humans came to be..

Maybe they even 'planted' horses and cows too, since we need them in our daily lifes, atleast back then..

Originally posted by Mike_A
The problem is that some people do push their beliefs on others,

Yes, I agree, there are. That's why we need to be ever more vigilant against people who do push their beliefs on others, especially as it can often lead to inbuilt barriers against questioning anything. But I see you doing an excellent job of questioning things yourself
, so keep it up

some do take creationist myths literally and some do claim that they are scientific

They're free to believe as they wish, so long as they don't push it on others. And if they claim it's scientific, well they better be prepared for barrages of questions

There are also areas where there is necessary conflict between ideas. I agree that you could have a creationist myth that was compatible with evolution; however if you say that god created all creatures as we now know them, and/or that man was created separate from all others then that conflicts with evolution.

See above ;-)

Originally posted by ChemBreather

I do not think the Earth is only 6000 years old, I have never said it so I hope no one here at ats thinks Im believing that ..

But, life on it I dont believe came from just one cell in a pond of boiling acid water..

Care to elaborate?

I do not see any impossibilities about the Alien Gods coming here and making it work for their part, which results in, the we humans came to be..

Maybe they even 'planted' horses and cows too, since we need them in our daily lifes, atleast back then..

Now that would be fascinating. If aliens altered our and our domestic animals (dogs and cats at least, as dogs have been around in their form as long as humans have) but for what purpose? Were there intentions benevolent or not so benevolent? Have they perhaps come back to sample and see what the races they've created and helped culturally have done with themselves? I got about halfway through watching a documentary featuring Eric von Daniken yesterday and I should really finish it, it was very interesting.

Lol. You are saying teach Creationism as a myth and that is what the argument is about. Why is it so hard for people to think that truth in spirituality is not a myth to some, mean while trying to force evolution down their throats as fact? Ok. I love science. I find it interesting and i think that it has an endless supply of knowledge.

I love spirituality. I find that it brings everything together and has an endless supply of answers.

I feel that at some point in every individual's life something will happen in their life to start questioning this subject, resulting in a very personal spiritual journey.