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'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
You'll notice that ban on secession was AFTER the Civil War, and WHILE the Southern States were occupied.

We didn't buy into that crap.

The original agreement, the only one that counts, is that the States voluntarily joined the Union, and they can By-God un-join.

We NEVER rejoined the Union.


It's too bad the state of Texas disagrees with you on their own website.

www.tsl.state.tx.us...
Thinking is hard, I know. We accepted the terms of your surrender. You surrendered. You were a conquered people, left to the mercy of a cruel and unjust world. Wandering the streets in rags, begging for food, and then through the kindness of our yankee hearts, we took you back. We forgave you, sort of. Anyway, you should be grateful we didn't sell you back to the French.

Texas tucked their shirt in, cleaned up well, and always put the dishes away when they were told. Luckily for them, we allowed Texas to become a state once again in 1870...that's after the 13th amendment was passed. Just so they knew, under no uncertain terms, that they wouldn't be allowed to own black people anymore. Their shenanigans would come to an end, and they would have to grow up and start acting like adults in real world type situations.

Flash forward to present day, and we still have the same petulant man children, throwing tantrums and threatening to take their ball and become Hondurans. Because of everything. This week, the cause de jour is keeping the Negro-Muslim-Nazi-Socialist-Communist-Anti-Christ fellow from letting poor people see a doctor. Somebody save us, the sky is most certainly falling now! We're leaving!

No states will leave the union. Nor Texas, nor Oklahoma, nor Alabama, nor any other confederate state. You should honestly feel foolish, but you would need integrity and character first.

America, you can love it or leave it, but you can't take it with you.




posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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If the USA is so small , puny , petty and wholly inadequate as to retaliate against Texas if Texas were to secede then the USA itself is unfit to exist in its current form . I for one would wish them the best of luck and even help to defend them if the need were to arise reply to post by whaaa
 



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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I hate the US too, join the club


Americans shouldn't have any right to hate America, they are living comfortable lives while that comfort comes at a cost, and that is the misery imposed on other world nations, from Africa to middle east to SA. Everywhere you go these world super powers do their dirty work and leave the citizen of other nations to clean up the mess. Unless they still have interest in that region.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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Ok big un....we'll see how it goes. Good luck to you. By the way, and just out of curiosity. You seem to be awfully hateful towards southerners. Did one of us whoop you when you were kid? Did we steal your girlfriend?

Why exactly are you so agitated? I would advise you to take a page from our book. Don't try to change us, if you don't like us, just leave us alone. We promise we'll do the same for you.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by midnightbrigade
Ok big un....we'll see how it goes. Good luck to you. By the way, and just out of curiosity. You seem to be awfully hateful towards southerners. Did one of us whoop you when you were kid? Did we steal your girlfriend?

Why exactly are you so agitated? I would advise you to take a page from our book. Don't try to change us, if you don't like us, just leave us alone. We promise we'll do the same for you.


Been to the south many times. Friendliest people I ever met. But, you don't know me very well, because I have very little patience for ignorance, even less tolerance for stupidity, and nothing but sheer contempt for folks who don't do their research. I also got a pretty big mouth, and never quite know when to shut up.

Y'all take care now, ya here?



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by brimstone735

Originally posted by midnightbrigade
Ok big un....we'll see how it goes. Good luck to you. By the way, and just out of curiosity. You seem to be awfully hateful towards southerners. Did one of us whoop you when you were kid? Did we steal your girlfriend?

Why exactly are you so agitated? I would advise you to take a page from our book. Don't try to change us, if you don't like us, just leave us alone. We promise we'll do the same for you.


Been to the south many times. Friendliest people I ever met. But, you don't know me very well, because I have very little patience for ignorance, even less tolerance for stupidity, and nothing but sheer contempt for folks who don't do their research. I also got a pretty big mouth, and never quite know when to shut up.

Y'all take care now, ya here?


That's extremely ironic given you continue to assert the civil war was about slavery. Anyone with a basic education in history knows better.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:02 AM
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Agreed. Lincoln even said that if he could have won the war without freeing the slaves, he would have done.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Sargon of Akkad
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Agreed. Lincoln even said that if he could have won the war without freeing the slaves, he would have done.


The civil war was fought for the same basic reasons all wars are fought - money. The industrialitst and bankers of the North wanted to eliminate competition in the South and a big part of this was making the pre-industrial methods of the South which were dependent on slave labor no longer viable.

There was a disagreement as to the form of the Union the states would take going back to the revolution, that of a strong, central government (Federation) vs. strong state centered government with a weak federal union. This debate was spear.ed by Jefferson (state's rights) and Adams (federalist).

The Southern states left the union due to real and perceived interference in their affairs by the federal government, the entire issue of slavery was an "add on" to these issues and was not brought about by altruistic Northern'ers fighting to free the oppressed slaves. Yes, they played on that theme and rallied people to the cause but it was pure propaganda with the real motives being financial and tactical (turning the slaves against the people of the South or even just taking them away would damage the Confederates, as it did).

Some people need to quit trying to slander all of Texas and the US South as being packed full of racists who want a return to the "good ole days" of slavery. It's just complete BS. Racism is not a geographical affliction and is not limited to white on black.

There are separatists movements in more than half of the states right now but this reverend rally is not part of the larger and real movement just like the Black Panthers and Skin.s separatists movements are not "legitimate" political movements. This is just media propaganda against the real movements, using a fringe nutcase to paint the whole issue with the same brush.

The union exists at the pleasure of the member states. Each and every state has the right to remove itself from the union if it deems doing so is necessary. The real problem here is the long standing occurrence of the federal government shoving things down the state's throats which are contrary to our constitution and our freedom. This is not about a single issue like Obamacare, it started before Obama even became a politician. It's not about him, his race or a single political party.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by ecoparity


That's extremely ironic given you continue to assert the civil war was about slavery. Anyone with a basic education in history knows better.


That is a part of history that has been suppressed because history is written by the winner. Here ia a story told to me about the great great grandfather (not sure how many) by the daughter about the governor of South Carolina at the start of the civil War. Here on ATS LINK



[edit on 2-9-2009 by seataka]



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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Thinking truly IS hard, so if it's too much trouble, don't bother.

You accepted our surrender and your terms?

Get out of here!

We were forced to put down our arms, but we never surrendered. The G**damned carpetbaggers were placed in office to vote this and that, but it sure wasn't the South.

How about that Ohio? What was it, 1931 they became a state? Since the Constitution allows no regressive laws, then one or two amendments are actually unconstitutional.

No, this current situation will not continue. The most efficient way to run a government FOR the people is to have the power in the hands of the individual states, and the states contribute to the Defense, transportation, and establishing a common currency.

Everything else is off limits.

It's now becoming a true, offensive, intrusive burden. Not a benefit - a burden.

Folks may carry a burden for a while, but at first crack they'll cast it off.

Too many tax eaters and not enough tax providers.

I don't want my Florida money being spent on some crap in New York or California. And a lot of folks are waking up to the same thing.

Because the road we're going down? It's a worsening disaster as far as you can see.

Some event will occur. Some event will be the crack in the door I was referring to, and there'll be a rush through that crack to get out.

Fantasize all you want. You guys didn't think we'd do it the last time around, but we did it anyway. This time, it won't be an industrial handful of northern states against an agrarian south.

I like our odds this next time.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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First, my counters.

To the people that want to trash-talk those in support of secession. This is a forum. Getting upset and calling names (like man-children...? Come on.) Does nothing but make you look like an idiot. No one who reads those first few lines will continue to read your post and if they do, you can't expect them to take you seriously. So cool it. This is open, civil discussion. Present your arguments in a logical fashion with respect to others, PLEASE.

1. All political power is derived from the people. If the State of Texas decides to secede and are willing to face the consequences of the decision, good or bad, then there's nothing the US can do to stop it.
2. Executing traitors on the front lawn of the White House. In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the same Government that our founding fathers created. IF they were here, today, they would probably be the most vocal group against our government.
3. Seceding from the United States doesn't make us anti-American. We can still love our parents after we leave home, right?
4. The Federal Government is in place to serve the people and the states. What benefit does that system have for us any more? We've grown up. There's not much positive to be said about Big Brother in our state any more.
5. The Federal Government has become a bureaucracy of rules and regulations which do no good. The Government constantly foils the growth of the nation, the states, and the population therein. It's time to either fix the car or send it to the junk yard.
6. Beyond secession, as stated in point 1. All power in the US is derived from the people. We can do any thing we want. Period. As long as we have a majority lol!



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 03:42 PM
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Hasn't the fine state of Texas wanted to secede for numerous reasons ever since it became part of the United States? Hasn't there been talk from Texans since 1845? They were an independent republic prior to becoming a state. I am sure there is some nasty politics behind how Texas became a state as most of the stories get uglier and uglier the further west you go!

So....Texans having yet another reason to discuss seceding...well jolly good for them. I hope they do succeed in seceding. Maybe that would wake up the rest of the country.

Of course, we could easily make Puerto Rico the new 50th state so we wouldn't have to replace all those flags. Then the politicans would have all new reasons to start treating Puerto Ricans like crap...as they treat the rest of us like crap now.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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The states will secceed over civil rights violations and economic warfare/theft. Texas may not be the state pushed over the edge first.

[edit on 4-9-2009 by eradown]



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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I forgot, but isn't Houston Texas, the ENERGY CAPITAL OF THE WORLD !?!? And Tyler, Texas isn't she the ROSE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. YOu know the world can't be without energy and Roses ...

sorry to interrupt PROCEED !!!



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 06:48 AM
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I am all for individual states making a temporary separation from the union until the union gets back in line with the Constitution.

However, to make it work, a group of states would have to join together in succession pretty quick.

And it would be important to let the rest of the world know that our military would remain intact while the states and federal government work out their differences.

My avatar is from the canceled TV show Jericho. CBS went to great lengths to make sure they show failed.

I don't trust the federal government right now. It's only a matter of time before people move their displeasure from the buildings were Town Hall meetings are taking place right into the streets.

My question to the government is this, if we can't even afford to pay for social security, how are we going to pay $1-$1.5 trillion for socialized health care?

Do we all deserve it? Sure we do. But I deserve to live in a mansion to. I don't because I can't afford a mansion.

It's simple math. 1 + 2 X 3 = 7. It's simple math to people who remember their math rules taught in elementary school. We have to many people in DC that think the answer is 9.



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