'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

Any state that secedes would get nuked?

Actually, if the seceding states had any support, most likely both sides would use nukes.

Historically, civil wars are the most brutal kind of war.

Bring about a civil war and your kids will inherit a radioactive dirtheap where brother kills brother.

Your choice, I guess.

reply to post by Arrowmancer


The people of Texas have always endured an uneasy relationship with the rest of the States. At the same time put down yet viewed askance with quizzical amusement and reluctant respect.

Will Maine tell us what to do? Oregon, California or Maryland?

Texas enjoys the singular position of having an international presence, fiscal solvency, and an engaged populace. We embrace our Mexican neighbors, and do not fear them.

We will survive.

This is not an idle threat. It is a goal for millions of "Americans" in name only, who are "Texans" first and foremost.

Ignore us at your peril.

jw

Last I looked, about 18% of Texans would support secession.

So I am not losing a lot of sleep over it.

You don't seem to understand that there are lots of people who will fight against you if you try to impose your will on them.

Including Texans.

Originally posted by daddyroo45
I think the US might just let them do it.

I have 3 "stripper wells" on my property. Wanna buy our oil at $150/bbl?
Fake!!

Try $350. You are toast without Texas.

Go on, do it without the Port of Houston. Do it without Gulf Coast refineries. Do it without road or rail access to Mexico.

Cross this line; I dare you, Yankee.

jw

Who is talking about nuking? If we secede, there will be no civil war. Texas would be happy (I assume...) to continue commercial and military endeavors with the United States. I seriously doubt the US would EVER nuke it's own or anything on it's border. Even if the majority of Texans wanted to secede, there would be so many problems in DOING so, that it would make it nearly impossible. Think of the costs and benefits.

1. Power. Texas has quite a few power production facilities, and way more than necessary to power our own state. We are the assistance when CA has it's blackouts. The US would then lose our production.
2. Houston is the second largest refinery in the world. Losing that amount of oil production would probably cripple the rest of the states. As such, Houston has always been recession proof. Why? It's the place where people go to pull them self up by the bootstraps. No matter where the economy is, Houston will always thrive. Most of Texas is the same way.
3. Texas could comfortably house the entire population of the United States if it had the infrastructure necessary for the cities that would inevitably crop up. Texas is home to many engineering colleges and has boasted some of the finest engineers the US has ever produced. Not a problem here.
4. Techonological advancements come from Texas industry nearly as often as from Silicon Valley.
5. Texas could comfortably sustain itself as it's own country. We have always enjoyed our independent ideals, and we have no problem taking our wares and selling them to the states. All production from TX offline? What a blow.
6. Taxes. If our federal tax was reduced by 50% and given to the governing body of Texas, imagine the benefit to the Country of Texas. And the loss to the USA.

The US has too much to lose. But that goes both ways. We would lose our state-to-state privelages and have to trade as import/expert. As a penalty for secession, Texas would probably be penalized in trade. We would lose the ability to travel as freely today as we do. We would have to worry about our own national defense and while we have the Texas Army, how would we defend ourselves from Mexico, Cuba, everything in the Gulf, and possibly the US? We would have to make due without Federal finances. Our backup would be gone.

But again, we're hardy folks.

reply to post by xmotex


You are paying attention to the wrong people. If you believe "18%" is correct, good for you. You have no idea.

Any Texan would rather tell a 'pollster' to kiss his bottom than answer any questions impugning his faith in his fellow Texans or minimizing their influence.

Most just don't care what anybody else thinks.

Believe your polls. Rest assured. Texans are sheep. All is well.

jw

Good luck and good riddance to these silly little childish fantasies. They hold as much real weight as fantasy football picks. Texas isn't going anywhere.

However, I would laugh very hard when Texans would suddenly wake up one morning as Mexicans.

reply to post by brimstone735


You may not realize this, but most Texans ARE Mexicans!

No big deal, amigo.

Bienvenidos a tejas.

jw

[edit on 31-8-2009 by jdub297]

Not just a few months ago alot of these same people were attacking Obama because of what the preacher of his church was saying about hating America.

Now they're talking about secession.

I guess everything comes full circle??

But I also believe that if Obama were to ever attempt an NWO-style government like the North American Union, (which I don't think he will anyway) at that point secession would be a little more justified. But it would have to be done by force. And it would be a bloodbath in states like Texas where people wouldn't just go along anwyay.

All I can say is, I live in Alaska and I don't think our state would go along either. This is a big state.. I highly doubt the gov. could ever initiate a form of nationwide Martial Law that would be required for such an endeavour. It would inevitably result in nationwide civil conflict. And it would be a nightmare that would last a long time..

Alaska could, technically, be its country right now though. We have plenty of oil and natural gas to sustain ourselves into the forseeable future. With or without a New World Order. There's always a market for oil and gas. Hard to believe we bought this state for like a penny an acre. If they only knew.

-ChriS

I wouldn't say it is healthy to look at secession in terms of what unhealthy addictions (Fed Money) Texas would give up. I would say the greater skepticism is with understanding what the State Constitution as the sole prop and support would do to individual rights. I don't know the answer to that, but, the Bill of Rights is an essential part of "freedom". When the Texas government abandons the false taxation such as traffic tickets, private drivers licenses and private vehicle registration, and passes laws prohibiting companies from withholding salary to pay the IRS, I would say we have a government in Texas that is noble, just, and mature enough to abandon the USA. Until then, the state that gave us the Bushes, Johnson, and killed and covered up the murder of JFK isn't to be trusted.

Let's back up a second.

Only 18% of Texans want to secede.

First, you can get a poll to say any thing you want, depending on how you word the questions.

But in the bigger picture. 18%. Think about that for a minute!

18%. It's not 2. It's not 5. But nearly one fifth of the state. IF the poll is correct. I would think that this number is worthy of at least a passing glance. For an issue as major as this 18% is one hell of a number. That being said, Texas is large enough to have it's own political regions. I doubt the pollster went to where the population of the state was the greatest: The Country. A state with a population of 24 million and 18% want to secede. That's a helluva thing.

Anyone who knows my posts knows that I have said it since I've been a member of ATS. If Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas all seceded, the U.S. would be royally screwed.

If you threw Arkansas and Louisiana in the mix, there wouldn't be much left for the rest of the US. Nearly all the cattle, hog, wheat, grains, oh yea, oil and natty gas.

Good luck with that ya'll

Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla

Originally posted by whaaa
If Texas were to secede, should the rest of the country place restrictions on Texans like we do Mexicans?

Absolutely.

Either you are a part of the country, or you are not. You may be a little attached, like, contiguously, but you'd be no different from Mexicans at that point. You're on your own. And without the USA backing you, have fun dealing with the drug cartels and their terrible violence, they won't hold back on you whatsoever with nobody protecting you from them. You're fresh meat for the wolves.

I really wish people could stop getting so riled up, but unfortunately this thing seems to be building, not subsiding. I hope Texas doesn't secede from the USA.

But if you do, don't worry, we'll build a fence to keep you out.

Edit: After I reread this, it seems to be kind of mean, but I just want to express that I didn't write it in that context nor do I mean it to sound harsh. It's just difficult to convey through text my emotions. It may sound like I am trying to be a jerk but I promise I am not. And the fence thing was just a joke. Anyway, I just don't want anyone getting the idea I am trying to attack them. I'm not.

[edit on 31-8-2009 by BaronVonGodzilla]

Ever been to Texas? I have no fear of the drug cartels. None whatsoever. We're smart enough to own guns.

[edit on 1-9-2009 by SelfDestruct]

Also:

We have the military bases, the US military could pull out their resources, but the bases are still there...

Runways, barracks, storage facilities for food, ammo, etc.
Military hospitals, clerical buildings, strategic defense bases (we protect our oil) etc etc etc -

All on Texan soil. US may pull resources and personel but it's not like Texas would be sent back to the stone age.

Stop comparing us to mexico.

Texas is one of the largest economies in the world, Mexico comes nowhere near the potential of Texas.

Originally posted by midnightbrigade

Good luck with that ya'll

Yawn. Stop confusing patriotic with pornographic. You'll find no support from the founding fathers for this sort of banal tripe.

Jefferson would have executed treasonous Americans on the white house lawn if he were alive today. Washington hanged two after the Shay's rebellion, and two more after the Whiskey Rebellion. Luckily, for one in five Texans, and a handful of Sooners, we live in more polite times.

Because, you don't even want to know what Ole Hickory would have done.

Originally posted by brimstone735

Originally posted by midnightbrigade

Good luck with that ya'll

Yawn. Stop confusing patriotic with pornographic. You'll find no support from the founding fathers for this sort of banal tripe.

Jefferson would have executed treasonous Americans on the white house lawn if he were alive today. Washington hanged two after the Shay's rebellion, and two more after the Whiskey Rebellion. Luckily, for one in five Texans, and a handful of Sooners, we live in more polite times.

Because, you don't even want to know what Ole Hickory would have done.

It's not treason, pull your head out long enough to realize that the State of Texas, formerly known as the Republic of Texas has the reserved right to secede from the USA. It's one of the conditions of Texas' annexation.

Y'all

not:

Ya'll

Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla

Originally posted by whaaa
If Texas were to secede, should the rest of the country place restrictions on Texans like we do Mexicans?

Absolutely.

Either you are a part of the country, or you are not. You may be a little attached, like, contiguously, but you'd be no different from Mexicans at that point. You're on your own. And without the USA backing you, have fun dealing with the drug cartels and their terrible violence, they won't hold back on you whatsoever with nobody protecting you from them. You're fresh meat for the wolves.

I really wish people could stop getting so riled up, but unfortunately this thing seems to be building, not subsiding. I hope Texas doesn't secede from the USA.

Understood you didnt mean it in a spiteful way.

I'm a Texan. We need ALL states to secede. We are ALL a group of INDEPENDENT states that have put in together for assistance and so forth. The feds (only a referee at best) has seized control of the game.

The US (govt) needs us waaay more than we need them. Drug cartels? Easy. You shoot any B#$t@&& that crosses the border. Too harsh? Tell the mexican govt. about their southern border.

Would the fed try to invade us? Likely. Especially when we told them they had to leave all of their "toys" behind. We have enough Texans in the military (plus civilian militia) that the fed would have to bomb us to the stoneage....also who would fight us? Foreignors? Other Americans wouldnt.

reply to post by felonius


Well said.

Especially the part about the USA needing us more. Texas has sustainable economy, military, industry, manufacturing, agriculture, livestock, education... not to mention we're the 2nd largest producer of oil in the western hemisphere (that stuff trades really well).

Plus we have a ton of cheap labor at our disposal.

Originally posted by SelfDestruct


It's not treason, pull your head out long enough to realize that the State of Texas, formerly known as the Republic of Texas has the reserved right to secede from the USA. It's one of the conditions of Texas' annexation.

Indeed, it is treason. Because, Texas actually does not have a clause that allows them to leave the union. That's a big ole tall tale, and I hear they grow'em BIG down in Texas.

The original enabling act might have held water, BEFORE they abandoned the union on Feb 1, 1861, but afterwards, no such luck, kiddo. When peace was declared between the Union and Texas by presidential proclamation on August 20, 1866, "That no state of it's own free will has a right or power to go out of, or separate itself from, or be separated from the American Union".

Texas fought for the right to own black people, and when it lost that dirty war, it also lost certain privileges it may have had before it something stupid.

Likewise, when Texas was allowed, and I use that word carefully. When Texas was allowed to come crawling back to the union, tailed tucked firmly between its shaking legs, no such language of option clause was included in the congressional act.

For years, we let Texans think they were special, that they could leave whenever they wanted, because the rest of us kinda felt bad. What with all that heat, and having to live so close to Oklahoma.

The truth is, Texas ain't going anywhere.

So, to reiterate my point, it is indeed treason.