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'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

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posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:09 PM
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Also as a Texan, I feel the urge to comment. 200 guys???? thats not a protest, its a biker gang. Texas will never secede. Rick Perry is a spineless moron. It disgusts me to no end that the Bush family has made this state their home. While I think there's enough idiots and more that populate this state I also can tell you, were the US of A to start some ...thing....with Texas, they would promptly be handed their ....god I hate the no cursing rule.....Yea, I'm sure you've all heard our crap before. The cities would fold easy but the countryside would be in open rebellion. Hey wait a sec....

Shoulda woulda coulda, if ands or buts....does any of the conjecture really matter???? Mark this post,

It is NOT gonna happen, the US is NOT out to whack its citizens. Where would all the politicians and crooks go to make their dishonest bucks? China? That's laughable, the Chinese have been at that game for better than 3000 years. Nope, so sorry, I don't believe.

PG




posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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Yes, Baron, we are all part of the Country, the Nation, but we wish to be free of the Corporation. The Corporation is the problem, not the government or the country. Stop running this country like a company! And for those who say this could never happen....well, people said that in the 19860s too, and you all know what happened after that. I know in my heart if just one State takes the BIG step, a bunch of other States will quickly join the "Cause."



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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I am a [former] ATS LURKER new member; third post.

This was sent to me by an internet friend!!!

THE COUNTRY of TEXOARKLA


In case things get a little tougher during the next few months, we In LOUISIANA, TEXAS , OKLAHOMA & ARKANSAS have a plan.

Maybe you don't know it, but LOUISIANA , TEXAS , OKLAHOMA , & ARKANSAS have a legal right to secede from the Union . (Reference the Texas/Louisiana-American Annexation Treaty of 1848.)

Us TEXOARKLANS love y'all Americans, but we'll probably have to take action since Barack Obama won the election and is now the President of the U.S.A. We'll miss ya'll though.

Here is what can happen:

1. Barack Hussein Obama, after becoming the President of the United States , begins to try and create a socialist country, then TEXAS , LOUISIANA , ARKANSAS and OKLAHOMA announces that they are going to secede from the Union ..

2. George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic of TEXOARKLA . You might think that he doesn't talk too pretty, but we haven't had another terrorist attack and the economy was fine until the effects of Barney Frank and the Democrats lowering the qualifications for home loans came home to roost..

So what does TEXOARKLA have to do to survive as a Republic?

1. NASA is just south of Houston , Texas . We will control the space industry.

2. We refine over 90% of the gasoline in the United States ..

3. Defense Industry--we have over 65% of it. The term "Don't mess with TEXAS ," will take on a whole new meaning.

4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of TEXOARKLA will need for the next 300 years. What will the other states do? Gee, we don't know. Why not ask Obama?

5. Natural Gas - again, we have all we need and it's too bad about those Northern States. John Kerry and AlGore will just have to figure out a way to keep them warm...

6. Computer Industry - we lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications equipment - small companies like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Nortel, Alcatel, etc.. The list goes on and on.

7. Medical Care - We have the research centers for cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world, as well as other large health centers.

2nd line ... I had to split this into two posts because of size.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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I am a [former] ATS LURKER new member; fourth post.

Continued ...

8. We have enough colleges to keep educating and making smarter citizens: University of Texas , Texas A&M, Texas Tech, University of Oklahoma , Oklahoma State University, UL-Lafayette, UL-Monroe, LSU, Louisiana Tech University, University of Arkansas, Arkansas State University , Baylor, Rice, TCU, SMU and MANY more.

9. We have an intelligent and energetic work force and it isn't restricted by a bunch of unions. Here in TEXOARKLA, we are a Right-to-Work State and, therefore, it's every man and woman for themselves.. We just go out and get the job done.. And if we don't like the way one company operates, we get a job somewhere else.

10. We have essential control of the paper, plastics, and insurance industries, etc.

11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the TEXOARKLA National Guard, the TEXOARKLA Air National Guard, and several military bases. We don't have an Army, but since everybody down here has at least six guns and a pile of ammo, we can raise an Army in 24 hours if we need one. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over the Texas Rangers.

12. We are totally self-sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs, and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and let's not forget seafood from the Gulf. Also, everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. We don't need any food from somewhere else.

13. FIVE of the ten largest cities in the United States and THIRTY TWO of the 100 largest cities in the United States are located in TEXOARKLA. And TEXOARKLA also has more land than California , New York , New Jersey , Connecticut , Delaware , Hawaii , Massachusetts , Maryland , Rhode Island and Vermont combined.

14. Trade: FIVE of the ten largest ports in the United States are located in TEXOARKLA.

15. We also manufacture cars down here, but we don't need to. You see, nothing rusts in TEXOARKLA so our vehicles stay beautiful and run well for decades.

This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of TEXOARKLA in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.

Now to the rest of you folks in the United States under President Obama:

Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only President Obama will be able to drive around in his big 9 mpg SUV. The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes.

You won't have any TV as the Space Center in Houston will cut off satellite communications.

You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes, but since AlGore has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas as long as you survive the 2000 years it will take to get enough heat from Global Warming.

In other words, the rest of ya'll in the USA are screwed!


Signed, The People of TEXOARKLA

P.S. This is not a threatening letter - just a note to give you something to think about!

Sleep well tonight 'cause the eyes of TEXOARKLA are on YOU!!



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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I think the comments under the article say it best. And most seemed pretty fair comments from Texans.

There are 24 million Texans. There are 200 seperatists. You do that math.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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You boys in Texas want to declare yourself a republic again, just like the first time, you can count on some more friends from other states to help you get it done.

You can always obtain a new "most favored nation" status, and I think it would be good, because I believe that a number of other states, particularly Southern states, would follow, and then this nation can return to the original Constitution.

States rights.

And I do hope this next time around that we can leave out New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California and a couple other pansie liberal states.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Sounds like a good way to get nuked into glass.

You can guarantee, any new Civil War will go nuclear, and fast.

No other kinds of wars are fought quite as dirty as civil wars.

Something to think about before we start talking about splitting up the country.


That said, I think these 200 clowns are kidding themselves.

The people of Texas are mostly very proud Americans, & the Texans I know all think the idea of secession is a joke.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Miraj
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I think the US might just let them do it. Forcing them to survive on their own will probably teach them a lesson rather than forcing them to come back.

If they can do it and survive? Great.

If they can't then they come back on their knees begging to be back in.

Seems like a win win.


Without the U.S. military to defend them, it wouldn't be long before the Mexicans mount an all-out attack for the land they still claim is theirs. Just be sure to keep the Bush family and T. Bone Pickens there. Vaya con Dios - they're going to need it!

In fact, I would have no problem with going back to the original thirteen colonies including a restored Constitution, and original flag. Just relocate some of the nukes in the Midwest and we're set.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Rams59lb
I've read the story over the weekend twice just to make sure I vented my thoughts in the right direction. It's clear that tis Rev is a fool and any sheep that follow this shepard will probably be shot not only with Vaccines but with a bullet for their ignorant extreme ideas.

Now on the right to secsede, I agree that any State that tries to successfully secede will be restricted by the GOV but I also believe that if enough States get on board it wouldn't be as dificult and those State would be probably a better place to live.

This Rev gives our fight a bad name!



Hear Hear! I believe you have this right..

If there were a good cause that you feared might succeed like Secession and one wanted to covertly scuttle it, you would find someone distasteful to propagate the idea, thus depopularizing it by his own association. This could be instigated by contrivance psy-ops.

repost:

See www.secession.net...

Print this 2 up on a flyer...you will be amazed at how much support this has:

THE SOLUTION TO THE FEDERAL DEBT

There is a solution.. and it is just one word..demand that your state legislatures move to
SECEDE

Let the unconstitutional "federal" criminals keep their "debt" and let "We the people" place them into those FEMA Internment Camps and then prosecute them for crimes and high crimes, including violation of their oath of office to support and protect the United States Constitution, while wringing every last dime they stole (and gave away to their rich banker pals for silence and to run up the stock market, and pay billions in bonuses [AIG, etc] while refusing to loan money to homeowners) out of them until they are the ones begging on the street corners of Chicago...

Whenever government becomes destructive of these ends (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness), it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government.

Declaration of Independence of the American Colonies, 1776 see Secession.net

The topic of secession was recently in the Wall Street Journal just a few weeks ago!

"Not surprisingly, a lot of folks in the land of Jefferson are taking a stand against an approach that stands to make an indebted citizenry yet more dependent on an already immense federal power. The backlash, already under way, is a prime stimulus for a neo-secessionist movement “

Written by a Son of Liberty from Virginia

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Nota Bene: Already in The Commonwealth of Virginia banks are refusing to accept payments from those banks like The Bank of America that are NOT actively repaying the Federal TARP monies.

[edit on 31-8-2009 by seataka]



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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And they will meet the guns of Texans, which are no longer bound by the Federal government gun laws.

As for most not being typical . . . the ones i have met from the big city are not typical Texan. The ones I have meat that live outside the city limits are every bit your typical Texan.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Miraj
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I think the US might just let them do it. Forcing them to survive on their own will probably teach them a lesson rather than forcing them to come back.

If they can do it and survive? Great.

If they can't then they come back on their knees begging to be back in.

Seems like a win win.

I just don't believe that Texas would "come back on their knees begging to be back in"
First thing, Texas has sympathetic border states. Trade and travel would not change.
Second thing,Texas has an economy that could sustain itself. If Texas seceedes,most of the US oil refineries goes with it.

More power to Texas!!!!



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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I do hope you guy's in Texas don't forget your Tennessee Volunteer brothers,when all the bottles hit the floor. We do share a border with Arkansas,don't forget.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
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And I do hope this next time around that we can leave out New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California and a couple other pansie liberal states.

After a bit of research there are 21 states that have groups that are actively trying to secede from the United States, all for different reasons, and one has actually proven in court that their soveriegn rights as a nation was taken away and occupied by the US government. Those states are as follows in order:
AZ, AL, AK, AR, CA, CO, GA, HI, ID, IN, KS, ME, MI, MO, MT, NH, NV, OK, PA, TX, & WA, and of course all of the Native American reservations.
That is a lot of people who are all fed up with the federal government.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by sdcigarpig

After a bit of research there are 21 states that have groups that are actively trying to secede from the United States, all for different reasons, and one has actually proven in court that their soveriegn rights as a nation was taken away and occupied by the US government. Those states are as follows in order:
AZ, AL, AK, AR, CA, CO, GA, HI, ID, IN, KS, ME, MI, MO, MT, NH, NV, OK, PA, TX, & WA, and of course all of the Native American reservations.
That is a lot of people who are all fed up with the federal government.


Wow, I did not know this... thank you for posting, starred!!



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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I have been WAITING for this thread.

My credentials? Sixth generation Texan. Lived all over Texas in my 30-year span of life.

This thread sparked one helluva debate between my wife and I. I consider the idea of secession think-worthy. She does not. These 200 secessionists are the front-runners of the inbred/redneck crowd. There are alot of us who want to secede for various reasons, but lets remember a few things.

1. What sets us apart from the other states? The FIRST LINE of the Texas Constitution is a good start. The preamble?


Humbly invoking the blessings of Almighty God, the people of the State of Texas, do ordain and establish this Constitution.


2. We are, by nature, independent folk. We settled this wild-ass state, we fought and bled for it, now we co-habitate it with those we originally fought against. The story of the Alamo is not a myth. We weren't fighting Mexicans, we were fighting oppressionists. We have a long and proud history of fighting for our beliefs with legendary courage and valor.

3. We are not subject to the president or congress' wishes or demands. We are bound to the United States ONLY by the Constitution of the United States. Period.
Proof? Texas Constitution, Article 1, Section 1:


Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.
How's that for a poke in the eye?

4. Section 2 is pretty self-explanatory.



Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.


Now, contrary to popular belief, Texas has no special right to secede. Joining the Union was voluntary and it was the People's will. Leaving it would be just the same. While I think it would be refreshing, Texas is in a strategic location for anyone wanting to get one over on the US. America could simply not allow such a thing. It's that simple.

There is a reason that the Texas flag is the only state flag allowed to fly at the same height as the American flag. There is a REASON Texas is the only state allowed to have it's own military. Not militia, but a government-funded ARMY. And we have it.

If you are Texan and want to secede, state why, in detail. What would it solve? I'm not against you, I just want to know your view.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Helig
Honestly logistics aside they should have every right to secede if they don't like the way things are going, otherwise they are just suffering under a system they no longer find suitable to their needs and wants. Its kind of screwed up to tell a state "your opinion doesn't count, now sit down, shut up and just take it"




*yawn*

"They" are described in the article


Some 200 people rallied at the State Capitol in Austin on Saturday, a small but vocal crowd that set itself in opposition to pro-health care reform protesters.


Not big enough to even put up a lemonade stand without losing money...



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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If the government nuked a secessionist state, the rest of the country would come down on it like the proverbial fist of god.

If they framed another country, you couldn't get enough boats to move Americans to that country fast enough to wipe it off the face of the map, then when they found out who the real culprit is, see the above statement.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 10:04 PM
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If a civil war goes on long enough, any and every means to end it will be used.

For reference: Sherman's March to the Sea



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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xmotex, I've never heard such bovine shiznit.

Any state that secedes would get nuked? Let's not be idiots here. And by the way, maybe Texas would grab some of those nukes stored there an nuke back. How's that for logic?

And Sherman's march to the sea? Whaaat?

One thing you maybe didn't notice this time around. New Hampshire would likely be a new Confederate state, as would many of the border states, and many western states that weren't states the first time around.

And just for the record. The states that seceded the last time around never rejoined the Union in the prescribed manner. They are occupied territories.

Some fouled up stuff. Ohio became a state in like 1931. ???

Texas was not a territory that joined the Union as did other states. Texas was an independent Republic, and THEY never rejoined the union in the prescribed manner after officially seceding.

Occupied territory.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 10:35 PM
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As a "fellow Texan," I know a couple of things:

Texas not only retains the right to secede, but it can be divided into separate states within the Republic.

Gov. Perry has is made a documented effort to notify the Federal government that it was created by the States to serve the States, not the reverse. The "Federal Government" was a creation of the STATES, and remains so. The power of the People of the United States of America remains in the States and their citizens.

We are all citizens of our respective States first, and the U.S. second. I do not tell people I am an American, I tell them "I am a Texan!"

As Obama weakens the U.S. armed forces, Texas and other states will be more easily able to assert their independence.

We have long held our independence dear. I was born in the "Alamo City" where General Sam Houston is revered. San Antonio, alone, has the most modern military hopsital and Burn Center at Brooke Army Medical Center on Fort Sam Houston.

Fort Sam Houston houses the 5th Army and is fully stagged and armed.

We have the Air Force training facility at Lackland A.F.B.and the Air Force flight school at Randolph A.F.B. The T-38, F-22 and F-35 are or will be stationed there in large numbers, not to mention more battle-tested aircraft and support craft.

Medina Base and Camp Bullis are home to Army field combat training facilities and at least one infantry and cavalry division at all times, fully armed. There is an arms depot at Medina as well.

The former Kelly A.F.B. is now an inland "port" and logisitcs center. Southwest Research Institute conducts satellite, communication and medical research for the armed forces.

Brooks School of Aerospace Medicine has trained and decontaminated astronauts. It is also a logistics and trade center.

This does not include the facilities surrounding S.A. such as the Hondo flight training facility and the Corpus Christi Naval Air Station just a litttle over an hour away.

And that's just San Antonio. Texas includes Fort Hood with several divisions of infantry and cavalry and armored. There are major military bases and airfields spread across the State.

We have the largest, newest and best highway system in the U.S. with Interstates 10 and 35 reaching the length and breadth of the country.

Dell Computer and Texas Instruments. The U.T. Medical system. Ross Perot. Boone Pickens. Hunt Oil and the Hunt family fortunes. The largest oil reserves in the U.S.

A 1,000+ mile coast with the 3rd largest port and the largest gas reserves and refinery in the U.S.

Texas has not had a recession. We have more land than every State but 1. We have corn, cotton, cattle and wheat. The largest border with Mexico and an excellent diplomatic relationship. (They buy lots of our guns.)

I think we're ready. I know I am.

jw



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