The Earth cant be billions of years old..., page 4

Originally posted by kinglizard
jlc163,
Again the people you are quoting have an agenda, which makes for bad science. They are religious CREATIONISTS attempting to prove their literal interpretation of the bible with bad science. I provided you with quotes from NASA, United States Geological Survey, U.S. Department of Energy and the U.K. Natural Environment Research Council regarding the age of the Earth. These groups are leading scientific organizations with no agenda. They pride themselves on sound science and study. If you are going to dismiss factual evidence from leading scientific organizations there is nothing more I can do for you. Continue to believe what you will. If you think you can provoke or anger me by calling me �sweetie�, �Sweetheart� and �luv� you�re wrong, I�m well above this type of immature name calling. Carry on�.

First off, sweetie, sweetheat and luv was to keep myself in line, to remember to not particularly fry anyone, and to allow you to see that I'm not trying to do anything with the way I word the rest because I already have your attention, and have no need to gain more from you. If I wanted to insult you, I'd tell you to go and get your bottom ribs removed--not explaining that (It remains innocous, this way...)
This is FAITH AND REASON by Dick Sztanyo, M.A.
Actually read it before insulting:
www.apologeticspress.org...

This cover some reasons as to why people believe in Evolution, for those who are creationists, here:
www.apologeticspress.org...&r9608a.htm

Marshall and Sandra Hall have offered this summary.
In the first place, evolution is what is taught in the schools. At least two, and in some cases three and four generations, have used textbooks that presented it as proven fact. The teachers, who for the most part learned it as truth, pass it on as truth. Students are as thoroughly and surely indoctrinated with the concept of evolution as students have ever been indoctrinated with any unproven belief (1974, p. 10).
...As Henry Morris well stated the issue:
�[T]he main reason most educated people believe in evolution is simply because they have been told that most educated people believe in evolution!� (Morris, 1963, p. 26).
Sir Arthur Keith of Great Britain wrote:
�Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable� (as quoted in Criswell, 1972, p. 73).
...For the person who stubbornly refuses to believe in God, belief in evolution becomes automatic. Similarly, opposition to God as the Creator, the Bible and His Word, and the system of origins the Bible describes become just as automatic.

Aldous Huxley stated the matter succinctly in his article, �Confessions of a Professed Atheist�:
I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning; consequently, assumed it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find reasons for this assumption.... The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics; he is also concerned to prove there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do.... For myself, as no doubt for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneously liberation from a certain political and economic system and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom (1966, 3:19).

www.apologeticspress.org...&r9608a.htm

Now, here is some educated people who changed their belief from Evolution to Creationism, i.e., they workd in the firld as evolutionists, before they changed their minds:

Dr Alan Galbraith, whose Ph.D. in watershed science is from Colorado State University, ... an evolutionist for decades, since high school, before becoming convinced of Genesis creation. His scientific career with the U.S. Forest Service has involved applied areas like hydrology, watershed and stream restoration.

I attended a creation seminar arranged by my pastor. I had only been a Christian for some four years or so, and was still a convinced evolutionist. I have to admit that I went with the attitude � what can this pastor, whose last science course was probably in junior high school, tell me about the area I know so much about? ...I came away from that meeting with my faith in evolution shaken enough to make me have to embark on what turned out to be a three or four year intensive study of all the available material on creation/evolution. At the end of that time, I was convinced that the creation point of view, from a scientific standpoint, was the only credible position that a thinking person with a scientific background could accept. [note that is shook his faith in Evolution, but he went to study facts afterwards:] ...I think it has to be the total geologic record of all those sedimentary, waterborne layers. Fossils, as we now know, generally have to be formed by fast catastrophic burial to preserve the details we see. And within the layers, there is much other evidence that they were laid down rapidly. Also, the stratigraphic column, the �stack� of all these layers, is essentially continuous throughout the world; there is no worldwide discontinuity or �time break�. So it shows to me that there was indeed a worldwide Flood, and not just localized floods as many believe. ... Geology is a very important part of my background. The Ph.D. program was in four areas � geology, hydrology, atmospheric physics to some extent, and plant ecology.

www.answersingenesis.org...

Dr James Allan, M.Sc.Agric. (Stellenbosch), Ph.D. (Edinburgh), retired as senior lecturer in the Department of Genetics, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa, in 1992, ... researched the genetics of fruit flies, snails, chickens, dairy cattle, and fish, and taught students quantitative and population genetics, particularly in its application to the breeding of animals. ...Dr Allan told us that he accepted evolution as a young student at university �virtually from the word go. ... For about 40 years I believed in the theory of evolution.� He thought that evolution explained the similarities that exist between living things�such as all living things sharing the system of coding genetic information on DNA�and never questioned the idea. ... I saw my weaknesses, my sin, my faults. I was converted and I began to read Scripture really meaningfully for the first time. ... However, he carried on believing in evolution, until one day his wife said, �Is there any reason why God should not have created all forms of life on the basis of a universal genetic code?� ... We asked him how he now viewed the supposed evidence for evolution. ... �I began to look more critically at the assumptions underlying some of those things that seemed so logical. For example, I came to see that resemblances between taxonomic families, orders, classes, etc. are due to the work of a creator, not common ancestry.� Previously, when people brought up creationist interpretations of the evidence he would say, �Why bring that nonsense to me?�it�s not science.�
But in the last decade or so, as he has considered a number of these, he has found that they are perfectly reasonable and intellectually acceptable. He now finds it sad that anyone should insist on evolutionary interpretations, which are �unproven and unprovable.� �Science, becomes much more meaningful and satisfying in the light of Scripture, rather than in rejecting it. And I certainly believe it is only as we consider together with legitimate science, the truth learned from Scripture, that we can ever really understand and appreciate the physical universe in which we live.� ...

www.answersingenesis.org...
Anoter, on video:
www.mybibleteacher.com...
anoter doctor:
www.answersingenesis.org...
(no doctorate) claims he converted to cristianity based more off of reading Darwin's work...
www.jodkowski.pl...

I was first an atheistic evolutionist, then a theistic evolutionist, then I considered gap, day-age, long days, etc. and finally arrived at the "young Earth" position three years after my conversion and an extended study of both Scripture and science (perhaps a process of evolution in my life!!).

chemist:
www.qrowireless.net...
doctorate:
www.apologeticspress.org...&r0107e.htm

In 1972, the anthropologist Marshall Sahlins (a former cultural evolutionist turned skeptic of cultural evolutionism) dubbed hunter-gatherers "the original affluent society" on grounds that "all the people's material wants are easily satisfied."

www.survivalarts.com...

The fifty-year head of a university science department in San Diego accepted Christ through the faithful witness of his wife and family. Several months after his conversion, this longtime Ph.D. exclaimed, "I can hardly believe I could be so dumb for so long! I thought I knew something before I was converted, but the greatest period of learning in my life has taken place these past few months."62

www.straight-talk.net...
Darwin's mentor?
www.wku.edu...
www.scholars.nus.edu.sg...

It is a subject that an atheist like Ivan Panin devoted a lifetime to study - resulting in his conversion to Christianity.

The author, a medical doctor, in this book recounts his conversion from a Darwinist to an Intelligent Design advocate.

facultyofchristianity.com...
facultyofchristianity.com...
the purpetuator of the piltdown man:
www.clarku.edu...

www.laymanstraining.com...

Not every bible thumper defends creation:
"Finally, I [Gary Parker], like many Christians, was honestly confused about the Biblical issues. As I told you, I first became a creationist while teaching at a Christian college. Believe it or not, I got into big trouble with the Bible Department. As soon as I started teaching creation instead of evolution, the Bible Department people challenged me to a debate. The Bible Department defended evolution, and two other scientists and I defended creation!"

www.theistic-evolution.com...
www.islamonline.net...
See, some are theistic evolutionists, i.e., they believe in the bible, but evolution, to them, is true...Creationists are not always christians, some are buddhist, etc...come on, there are a lot of articles on the pope deciding to believe in evolution.

I distinctly remember being taught evolution in Sunday school.

www.lionofjudah1.org...

THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN VERSES NON CHRISTIAN DEBATE! IT IS EVOLUTION VERSES CREATIONISM, that means that you will find people of MANY faiths arguing for both sides, and there are prabably a few lies on both sides, that' why I TOLD you to read...saying something is false and actually having proof that it is false are two different things.
Sweetheart, if you had any CLUE as to how much I WISH that CREATIONISM HAD NOT PROOF, you would pity me, but I have seen nothing truely contrary come out of you that has proof in the opposite direction.

READ!

And a number of them have fraudulent degrees. No kidding. Many have PhDs in religion, which has very little to do with physics and biology and geology.

go to the sites, some got their degrees in Chemestry, Geology, and from place like Edinborough...these are not always those types of doctorates...some, if you look at their doctoratein Theology, their Masters is a science related masters.

[Edited on 18-5-2004 by jlc163]