(I suppose this belongs here) (Mods please read before removing)
In this thread, I will attempt to “Debunk”, most beliefs acquired by those here on ATS, who really do believe in The Supernatural Phenomena.
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Deities/God
At the University of California in San Diego, neuroscientist VS Ramachandran noticed that a disproportionate number of patients - around a
quarter - with a condition called temporal lobe epilepsy reported having deeply moving religious experiences. "They'd tell me they felt a presence
or suddenly felt they got the meaning of the whole cosmos. And these could be life-changing experiences," says Ramachandran. The feelings always came
during seizures, even if the seizures were so mild, they could only be detected by sensitive electroencephalograms (EEGs). Between the seizures, some
patients became preoccupied with thoughts about God.
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I’ll start with this, by Dr. Ramachandran. A Great Neurologist, If you don’t know him, you can research him
Here Now, he has conquered many areas of neurology, and has been presented at
TED presenting how the brain works, and how God plays into it,
also his findings in ‘Phantom Limbs’, bringing about much -relief to those with “Phantom” pain. Go figure.
Source
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Now what he goes on to explain, in the first quote posted, is that ‘Unnoticeable’, seizures in the temporal lobe, has caused deeply moving
religious experiences, now this may mean nothing to some, but the world to others, if a seizure so minute, that can be noticed only on highly
sensitive equipment, cause religious experiences, this is beautiful, we understand another aspect of what makes us believe in a god.
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Now you may rebuttal with, well we have Yahweh, Krishna, and Such, well the mind is infamous to filling in blanks, but I won’t go into this, unless
acted upon.
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This may be a naturally occurring disorder in most people, which may lead them to be pastors, preachers, deacons, and popes and bishops, Imams, and
what have you, these people will be “Moved” to act in the way to express what they have felt, fantastic!
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For the rest, they will see how strongly it has impacted them, as Dawkins put it, “I don’t Doubt your sincerity, I doubt your belief!” Now this
speaks volumes, a person on acid, may truly believe that something is there, but we all know there is nothing there, that the said person sees!
Now, what tickles me pink is, that
9 out of 10 Indonesians are willing to die, for said
God. If that doesn’t surprise you, think of those who “practice what they preach”.
Now
Andy Thomson Said brilliantly, quoting another source albeit, that when kids were presented
with a puppet show, in the puppet show, a Mouse was ultimately eaten by a Alligator. Now the kids (of 4 years old) were presented with a series of
questions afterward. Questions like, “Does the mouse still need to eat”, No unanimously, “Does the mouse still need to breathe?” No
unanimously. “What does the mouse think?” Obviously, he wishes he didn’t get eaten, he wishes he was still alive, he this and that. And it is
here, where we would’ve created and fabricated the idea of a deity, since at the tender age of a child, we cannot process in our brains the idea of
death, since we’d still suppose the mouse, to be thinking. Very wise man.
To add, an estimated, ½ of 4 year olds, have Imaginary Friends.
Now off the topic of God/s.
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Astrology
Aha, Astrology, one of the easiest ones to explain, but somehow in the age of Nuclear Physics, and the Understandings of Human behavior and
Psychology, we still tend to like, the idea that orbits of planets, somehow affect who we are and what we are, due to our birthdays.
Here Is the barnum effect in place.
The basics of the barnum effect have been
Tested and proven to affect
everyone religion, tested
here as well.
Now it can be as simple, as “you’ve thought about writing a book but afraid it may be too boring, or not accepted”, or “When you go to sleep
at night some nights, you re-think your statements of the day, or a conversation that you had, and wish to re-write it, but know you can’t, and find
it foolish thinking.”
Everyone has the feelings, but there nothing talked about, and presumed true by the said receiver!
Out of Body Experiences-
Now, this albeit may be the toughest to be debunked, solely since it’s a purely based upon observation alone, and stories, which repeat in a mantra,
“you have no idea”. I agree, I have no idea what it was like, but I can explain how it happened.
An estimated one out of ten people will or have experienced an ‘Out of body Experience’.
Same
can be said of Female date violence or rape.
Source
Now, as stated earlier, I don’t doubt people experience OBE’s, I doubt that it is real. Some people can do horrendous acts, without guilt or
regret, many start off small, and can lead to killing ants, to turtles, to small animals, to humans, to genocide. Now OBE’s, none of which I have
heard of, involved the destruction of a creature. But believe it isn’t far from it in the thought. No offense intended, you should see it.
But according to recent work by neuroscientists, they can be induced by delivering mild electric current to specific spots in the brain. In
one woman, for example, a zap to a brain region called the angular gyrus resulted in a sensation that she was hanging from the ceiling, looking down
at her body. In another woman, electrical current delivered to the angular gyrus produced an uncanny feeling that someone was behind her, intent on
interfering with her actions.
Now here, we have the “God Helmet” in practice, electronic signals, pushed into the brain that caused paranormal experiences, now I do believe
that someone can, meditate and force themselves to have the same experience, just that the thought of this being paranormal I disagree with because,
well even though it isn’t normal, it’s certainly not to be labeled spiritual.
I announce to you, that the brain is a very complex piece of matter, but making it’s practices something spiritual or of the other matter, is wrong,
and without backing.
The God Helmet Is quite the turning point for science. Found by pushing Electromagnetic waves in
the brain, which causes certain, susceptible people, (Dawkins Excluded, Since he only felt, ‘funny’ just not a presence or OBE that others had) to
have feelings of a presence, to ‘seeing’ god, or ‘seeing’ aliens, it’s all very real, and does not need the event to actually take place,
just currents.
Now closing this thread, if there are any questions, or ‘devout’ believers, that say this is real, I know it to be real, and have gone through all
the links of said topic, please feel free to debunk the debunked, if I can say that word.
I ask as normally, for the minor or childish posts as in, “Your dumb”, “Your Gay”, “You know Nothing”, “Burn in hell”. Such post
U2U’s be kept away, if you strongly believe against, offer me a debate, for those not willing, feel free to post against.
Thank you for reading of course, as always. Hope this is a better, milder, and more friendlier thread.
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