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DHS: Expect your computer to be seized without suspicion

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posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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Let me start by saying, I am amazed, simply amazed. ANY Bill, Law, proposition, ordinance, regulation that the AMERICAN Citizen deems to be unconstitutional, he may ignore with utter impunity. Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham Ala.

Second, Miranda v. Arizona...'Where Constitutional rights are concerned, the State my make no rule or legislation which would abrogate them."

Now, the Federal Government has absolutely NO SAY in State matters or National matters. The Federal Government was set-up to deal with INTERNATIONAL matters.

The U.N. Charter, as much as I hate and despise the U.N., also states that a Citizen may leave his country and return WITHOUT RESTRICTION. I believe it is title 48 article 13.

You are born an AMERICAN, NOT a U.S. citizen. The 14th Amendment MAKES YOU a U.S. citizen if you refer to it personally. I am not a 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, I am an AMERICAN Citizen, capital "C".

The law of the flag, that's what matters. [ex(((( Please review the data concerning the subversion of our nation at web sites
"THE BRITISH LEGAL SYSTEM OF MIXED COMMON AND ROMAN LAW HAS BEEN USED TO ENSLAVE US(A)" - www.detaxcanada.org...
and "Admiralty Courts in Colorado?" - www.frii.com...
Inform all of the members of the veterans organizations in your town and concerned citizens everywhere to the exact extent that we have been misinformed.))))

This Treason and Tyranny by the bankers, the lawyers and judiciary, the bought politicians, and other vested interests is not what we or our ancestors fought and died for.



Full text here.

www.barefootsworld.net...



Notice how Ambulances have the U.S.A. flag on them, city buses too. Do you have a U.S.A. flag on YOUR auto or truck? You should have. It is then protected by CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. And so are you.




posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by IDK88
I am not really sure if the constitution applies in a legal space like a border, but I think that each of those Amendments have references to due process, so they will be protected.



People have reported having their laptops seized and not returned. Due process my $@&^%$.



Originally posted by IDK88
Your second reference is about the laws states can make...specifically against citizens of other states. DHS is concerned with international transport; the border of Illinois and Wisconsin, for example, doesn't have a checkpoint.



They (failedgov inc.) are using police and military to conduct in-state checkpoints. Military are being deployed for security at sporting events and after some crimes. The pentagon is *supposedly* asking for permission to field thousands of US troops in CONUS.

Simple fact is, failedgov is robbing the treasury prior to the destruction of this country and what remains of our liberties. I doubt we get out of '09 unscathed. I sincerely hope these criminals running our country do not get out of this with their sorry hide intact.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by daddio
reply to post by metamagic
 


Let me start by saying, I am amazed, simply amazed. ANY Bill, Law, proposition, ordinance, regulation that the AMERICAN Citizen deems to be unconstitutional, he may ignore with utter impunity. Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham Ala.


So how does that apply to massive electronic eavesdropping, government mining o fpersonal bank and other records, "sneek and peek" searches (i.e. those does without the knowledge of the person whose property is being searched) or those statues that deny you access to legal representation? How do does a citizen refuse to follow them? Do you refuse to be tasered by ten body armored police beating the crap out of you? Or do you refulse to be locked up without charge?

You kind of missed the point on that.. it is not about people following the law, it is about the state not following the law.



Second, Miranda v. Arizona...'Where Constitutional rights are concerned, the State my make no rule or legislation which would abrogate them."


And this applies to extraordinary rendition, warrentless wire-tapping and the [Patriot act how? His applies to the outsourcing of CIA hit squads to Blackwater in what way?



Now, the Federal Government has absolutely NO SAY in State matters or National matters. The Federal Government was set-up to deal with INTERNATIONAL matters.

The U.N. Charter, as much as I hate and despise the U.N., also states that a Citizen may leave his country and return WITHOUT RESTRICTION. I believe it is title 48 article 13.


Yeah well, the US also agreed to follow the Geneva convention until it decided not to.. and of course if that citizenship thingy is getting in the way, well we'll jsut saw that under teh Patriot act, they aren't citizen's any more! Done!



You are born an AMERICAN, NOT a U.S. citizen. The 14th Amendment MAKES YOU a U.S. citizen if you refer to it personally. I am not a 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, I am an AMERICAN Citizen, capital "C".

The law of the flag, that's what matters. [ex(((( Please review the data concerning the subversion of our nation at web sites
"THE BRITISH LEGAL SYSTEM OF MIXED COMMON AND ROMAN LAW HAS BEEN USED TO ENSLAVE US(A)" - www.detaxcanada.org...
and "Admiralty Courts in Colorado?" - www.frii.com...
Inform all of the members of the veterans organizations in your town and concerned citizens everywhere to the exact extent that we have been misinformed.))))


OMG!! NOT THE ROMANS AGAIN!!! I knew they were up to something.. enslaving the USA. Those sneaky proconsuls enslaving us with laws!


This Treason and Tyranny by the bankers, the lawyers and judiciary, the bought politicians, and other vested interests is not what we or our ancestors fought and died for.



Full text here.

www.barefootsworld.net...



Notice how Ambulances have the U.S.A. flag on them, city buses too. Do you have a U.S.A. flag on YOUR auto or truck? You should have. It is then protected by CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. And so are you.

As I read the rest of your post, I felt quite disoriented and tripped over one of my own premisses.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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what a bunch of idiots, do they really expect to find anything?

information of all sorts cross the digital highway, some on lines that have classified encryption levels and with encrypted packages it is easy nowadays.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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I got your point completely. It is the fact that people have not paid attention to what is going on in their own government. If we were to stand up, from the begining, and not let this get so out of hand we wouldn't be in this mess.

People get distracted by all the crap out there, television, sporting events and so on. They don't pay attention to anything. Tra la la la la......

I get the whole idiology of the "shadow government" doing what they want, but, there are some in the Federal Marsghalls service and the FBI that are honest and would enforce the "actual" law. The Color of Law statutes.

If you don't know how to speak to the "authority" then you are screwed. And this happens every minute of every day, because people have allowed it to happen, there was a thread here about just saying NO. I am sure most people didn't even bother to read that OP's stuff either.

What you are saying is funny to me. I find it humorous that you go off on tangents and express confusion? Not sure why. Just pointing out that the "Law of the Flag" is how we got to this point. Subverted. We should have pushed the Treason and Tyranny charges to the full extent, some have tried but with not enough backing.

I have read and studied the federal code and there are protections in there if people know how to use them, trouble is they don't.

So here we are.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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Most of these policies were created and approved by the Bush administration. It's just more pass-the-baton-fascism.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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Wasn't there a user on here a few months back that got his laptop seized by the DHS only to have a smashed monitor?



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by IDK88

Originally posted by smurfy
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I agree with you if you are talking about no-man's-land. There is no such reference here, although it may be included and in more detail in the link. Good post by the OP.


I think so...I thought international border space is neither here nor there, legally.


OK, I obviously missed something here. The argument is that the US Constitution applies in foreign areas, like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, but not on US soil, on the US side of the border?

Does that about cover it?




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