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1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
The diverse references to God, Jesus, and the Spirit found in the New Testament were later systematized into the idea of a Trinity – one God subsisting in three persons and one substance – in order to combat heretical tendencies of how the three are related and to defend the church against charges of worshiping two or three gods.
In addition to these, 1 John 5:7 states, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." However, this Comma Johanneum is not considered to be part of the genuine text. It is commonly found in Latin manuscripts, but is absent from the Greek manuscripts, except for a few late examples, where the passage appears to have been back-translated from the Latin. Erasmus, the compiler of the Textus Receptus, on which the King James Version was based, noticed that the passage was not found in any of the Greek manuscripts at his disposal and refused to include it until presented with an example containing it, which he rightly suspected was a gloss after the fact. Although the Latin Church Father, Saint Cyprian, is thought to have referred to the passage, it is now considered not to have been part of the original text, and is omitted from modern translations of the Bible, even from the revision of the Vulgate that is now the official Latin text of the Roman Catholic Church.
The Trinity is shown clearly. The functions of each person of the godhead are shown in I Cor 8:6 and John 15:26: Of the Father, by the Son, through the Spirit.
Actually in Christianity God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same thing. This is why St. Patrick is associated with the clover. When he converted Ireland to Christianity he used the clover as an example because it has three leaves but its all the same clover. I'm not saying this is true, but this is why it's considered monotheistic.
Finally, in Deuteronomy 6:4, just in case there was any doubt, we have "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One". That is a clear and unambiguous statement of monotheism, which is fundamental to Judaism.
So I can kind of see where the Christians could try to say that the Trinity is just a three-fold view of one indifisible God.
Personally, I can't understand how someone can read the Bible as a whole and not come to the conclusion that "Jesus" and "The Father" were two completely different entities.
But yeah, the 3-in-1 deal would technically be considered a pantheon or polytheism of some sort, no?
Originally posted by chiron613
So you could imagine putting the text into the present tense. In the beginning Elohim creates..."; but somewhere else, "the elohim create..." - the second version would be plural, which you can tell from the word "create".
Originally posted by Deaf Alien
No. Christians see the Trinity as THREE DISTINCT persons and YET ONE GOD. In other words, 3 = 1.
Let me see if I can explain how this works (and this goes beyond Christianity) : Let's say you take a property called FOO. Let's say it is given that X has FOO, Y has FOO, and Z has FOO. When you see them as individually as X, Y, Z, then they appear as 3. When you see them as FOO, then they appear as one. This is singular as in mathematical dimensions. Therefore, there is single dimension the only consists of FOO. It doesn't mean that FOO can not be seen as individuals, it just means there is single dimension that exists. Is that too complex? Let's say JIm, Sally, Robin are all alive. There is a single dimension which they are all alive. In such a dimension, they are one, mathematically. The dimension is called "God", or at least for this example. Enjoy.
Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by dzonatas
There are three different people named Bill, Bob, and Buck. They are three different men. They are computer programmers, each one of them. They can work together as a unit and call themselves the Computer Programmer. The output of software from them can seem to be from a unit, but really they work together as a group.
What you fail to understand is that Christrian consider that the Trinity is THREE gods that are actually ONE GOD.
Do you use the john, or do you use the John...
Don't say I failed. I only gave you a possibility, and maybe it wasn't clear enough to you.
The difference we have how we see this the group (Bill, Bob, Buck) that you called the unit, yet in my example it would look more like (Foo, Foo, Foo) where is no separate identity to be considered a group. It's just a single infinite dimension of Foo. Call it Fooim, or call it Bar.
Only 3 are pointed out instead of the infinite, just to make it more simple.