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Lockerbie bomber 'set free for oil'

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posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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Thanks for the post!
Coupla thoughts:

I'm surprised at how fast this story came out. I mean, I figured some degree of shenanigans was going on. (For me, the fact that this prisoner for life was being released because he "was going to die" didn't make much sense. I thought that was what he was supposed to do....)
So the speed at which this story was revealed is of interest to me.

I too believe that If these "leaked letters" explain some sort of "deal" then said letters should be eagerly published.

I don't believe that having this story come out will lead to the end of G Brown or anyone of major importance. Unless all of a sudden aware, thoughtful people holding their governments and other authorities accountable have recently become the norm, I'm sure this will just fall away, like most other important news stories.




posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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The speed this has come out, the number of conflicting reports, deals and other disinformation shows an extreme lack of planning and coordination.

I am really unsure where I stand on this, except where one media source questions whether this is Gordos' Watergate! Gordo, Mandy and Millie have a lot of questions that need answering, and I don't know anyone who doesn't hold them in anything but contempt.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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I'm surprised at how many people completely accept al-Megrahi's guilt. Even the mother of one of the victims said she thought the evidence against him was circumstantial.

Threre are many conflicting theories on the case, none of which are entirely satisfactory: but al-Megrahi seems to have been a patsy.

My own first introduction to how weird this incident was is that a friend of mine travelled on the flight but got off at Heathrow. He told me that he'd sat next to a US serviceman going home for Christmas who'd been terrified because he'd heard rumours that there was a bomb on the plane.

If an ordinary serviceman had heard that, who else had? And why wasn't the plane searched?

Private Eye have been very good on this case from the start and their most recent issue contains an article which I'm part quoting below. There's no online source but it's issue 1243 p28:


Earlier this year the Eye predicted that the Scottish courts would hear only a small part of the appeal of Ali Mohammed al-Megrahi before he would return to Libya to die with his family...

...news last week that Megrahi was to be returned on "compassionate grounds"... briefly raised hopes that his appeal could continue in his absence. But that was never going to be allowed to happen, and Megrahi, who had always said he would never return to Libya until his name was cleared, duly dropped his appeal...

Some forensic evidence appeared to have been tampered with and much evidence withheld - including the fact that there had been a serious breach in security at Heathrow at the Pan Am baggage area in the early hours of 21 December,1988, the day of the bombing. A padlock on the door had been professionally cut and the area left open to intruders. Coupled with the testimony of baggage handlers about two extra cases going on board - one matching the description of the bag said to have carried the bomb - this would have featured heavily in Megrahi's appeal.


It's also interesting that according to the report, the "howls of outrage" (mostly from the US) were not echoed by either the UN observer at al-Megrahi's trial nor by some of the British families who'd lost relatives in the disaster, "who have studied every aspect of the case and believe there has been a miscarriage of justice".

Contrast with the "string-em-up-it's-the-only-language-they-understand" attitude of the US families, who seem to accept whichever scapegoat their wonderful government throws them.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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The questions that really need answering date from 1988. and I don't think that Brown or Mandelson had much to do with anything from that era. I'm not a fan of Brown (and consider Mandy to be an evil little Rothschild sock-puppet) but let's try and keep aome sense of historical perspective about this.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety

I'm surprised your surprised...

Why else are they also fighting wars in dust bowl countries like Iraq and Afghanistan? Google the TAP pipeline!!! Helmund province is the primary area where the pipeline will feed through from the Caspian Sea. It must be protected at all costs, hence the new General saying we'll be there for 40 years.



Um.... not surprised here... just perplexed.

TAP pipeline - Trans Adriatic Pipeline. Mainly stretching from Brindisi IT to Thessaloniki GR. Tie-in and feeder sets on either end.

Strategically, it nullifies some of the stranglehold that Russia has on gas feeds to Europe. The next nation to the East is Turkey. Potentially, it could eventually tie to the BTC Pipeline (terminates on the Mediterranean shore in Turkey) via the planned Nabucco Pipeline which will likely be a feed point for the refinery at Thessaloniki. (currently being upgraded).

Now... here is the issue.

At no time does any of this piping go through Helmund province (Helmand province), 629 miles away in the opposite direction.... in a country (Afghanistan) that doesn't even border the Caspian Sea.

So... what key bit of data am I missing in your theory?











[edit on 30-8-2009 by RoofMonkey]



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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I talk about this in my recent podcast. A deal to release the Lockerbie bomber?



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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Libya is secular btw.
Another reason why the British government do not want to see a radical Islamic government in power.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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yeah... it's Jeffersonian in Libya




posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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At no time does any of this piping go through Helmund province (Helmand province), 629 miles away in the opposite direction.... in a country (Afghanistan) that doesn't even border the Caspian Sea. So... what key bit of data am I missing in your theory?


I've interlaced two maps for you, taken from here and here.

Seems very relevant to me and with regards to the thread, it just shows to what extent they instigate wars to ravage foreign resources. Megrahi is just another political pawn.

p.s. TAP means Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan. It is Turkmenistan that holds the key to Caspian reserves, but i'm sure they were bent over the proverbial barrel many moons ago.




posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were referring to the TAP Pipeline, though I still fail to see the usefulness of routing the product through Afghanistan if the intention is to move it to Europe. India... yeah, that makes sense... sort of. Why India would route what will likely become a critical supply line through perceived enemy territory is beyond me. (Pakistan)

Now... to follow your logic, our involvement is to do India's dirty work?

Well... I guess someone has to protect all those jobs that we outsourced there.


Meanwhile...



Wednesday, May 28, 2008
China Oilfield Services Limited announced that its COSL-7002 drilling rig's first drilling operation in Lybia experienced a smooth start on May 27, indicating COSL's project in Lybia officially enters into operation stage.

...

September 18, 2008
China Oilfield Services Limited has announced that its second drilling rig in Lybia, COSL-7004, recently and successfully commenced operations.

This marks another successful move following the start of the first rig in the country, COSL-7002, in May this year. This also represents another milestone in COSL's overseas expansion of its onshore drilling operations.


www.rigzone.com...

And

www.rigzone.com...


My guess is that the UK wanted to get in on the action before China gets all the leases.

[edit on 30-8-2009 by RoofMonkey]



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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Afghanistan is crucial for long-term occupation so they can bleed the Caspian Sea dry. Once they kick Iran Iran out of touch, they will have full dominion on middle-East reserves, ready for any inevitable Russian or Chinese threat.

Libya is just another notch on the bed-post for BP, BG & Shell to expand their operations, thanks to Megrahi's release and Brown's deathly silence, who's complicit of shady back-door shenanigans and the puppetry being played through supposed Scottish democracy, led via Westminister.

It was obviously some kind of prisoner agreement and compassionate release is laughable.



Libya has proven reserves of 39 billion barrels, but "Libya remains 'highly unexplored' according to Wood Mackenzie Consultants, and has 'excellent' potential for more oil discoveries."

Source



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by maya27
There is evidence to suggest that it was the CIA who planted the bomb. I think it was on the verge of coming out very soon that he is innocent.

Although they were forced into taking responsibility for the outcome of this case, the Scottish Judiciary made the right decision.


Please supply proof of such evidence and links. Libya agree to pay the families of victims of Lockerbie 2.7 Billion or 10 Million a person they murdered and you try to claim a CIA plot?

Nice Try,

www.nytimes.com...



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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The silence from the US Republican party is probably a clear sign President Bush knew of the potential release of the Lockerbie bomber.

And the dogmatic protectionist, Senator Schumer, wants sanctions on the United Kingdom. He is unaware a European Union wide retaliation would result too, not wise having a trade war with the world's most significant trading block.

[edit on 31-8-2009 by infinite]



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
The silence from the US Republican party is probably a clear sign President Bush knew of the potential release of the Lockerbie bomber.


Dunno if that's sound logic.

There is also a "potential release" of Charles Manson, or a "potential release" of a new Michael Jackson Album. "potentially" the traffic light up at the corner could burst into flames and kill a squirrel.

Current news squeaks (today) indicate that the guy's release "came up" in oil lease discussions at 10 Downing street. I'd be more concerned about that.




[edit on 31-8-2009 by RoofMonkey]



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
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Libya is secular btw.
Another reason why the British government do not want to see a radical Islamic government in power.

Um No Libya is not secular!
Libya is an Islamic Republic and part of the OIC.
Ghadaffi will be crowned the king of Africa in the reformation of the Caliphate. The has already been reported.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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Many times when these guys are released from prison they return to the field to commit another attack. Since this guy is responsible for a major airplane downing you can expect more airplane downing soon as he will train and head up the cells that will carry out the threat.

The threat was to down a dozen planes in the Atlantic to and from the US to EU. Like 911 but on an international scale. And it works by having an imam to deliver the blessing, a financier to deliver the funds, a trainer with experience... after all the 911 guys are all gone now..., and 5 operatives with numerous support operatives for each attack. So doing the math this means that the fake cancer patient will be in charge of 60 bombers using the same technique he used in Lockerbie. And do we know what that is?



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:02 AM
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I think you mean President of the United States of Africa


Kings and Queen were not associated to the Islamic Caliphate. The title is Caliph, please research. It is not difficult.

And I doubt Christian nations of Africa will be joining the Caliphate



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by RoofMonkey
Current news squeaks (today) indicate that the guy's release "came up" in oil lease discussions at 10 Downing street. I'd be more concerned about that.


Many dominate members of the SNP, current governing party in Scotland, have supported/campaigned the release of this individual for years. It is nothing knew.

As FOXNews suggested this morning, Britain and America always share intelligence. Including highly secretive information. If Downing Street knew then so did the White House. When Blair visited Libya, the State Department removed Libya from the nations that sponsor terrorism. Coincidence? of course not, it was planned.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
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I think you mean President of the United States of Africa


Kings and Queen were not associated to the Islamic Caliphate. The title is Caliph, please research. It is not difficult.

And I doubt Christian nations of Africa will be joining the Caliphate

Huh?
Libya is an Islamic nation. There aren't many Christian states in Africa left... Christians are being slaughtered daily.
Since you won't do the research:
allafrica.com...
hint: look at the map of the OIC

But more importantly, and keeping with the topic, is that the Lockerbie bomber (diagnosed by one doctor) has 3 months to live, making him the perfect suicide bomber that will take him directly into martyrdom. Of course I'm sure there are GPS devices on the guy, but those can be removed.
Meanwhile his target might be Sofia Bulgaria in revenge for the nurse incident. Could be France because Sarkozy pulled a fast one regarding the HIV issue. Speaking of HIV issue, it's still hot on the table in Libya and much of the Middle East. Rome, Paris, Helsinki all were involved in this case that convicted this guy. UNESCO surprisingly is also a target. If any of those get hit then you know where it came from.

Also the factor of Gitmo comes into this picture. There was a plan a few years back to fly a plane into Gitmo to make all the prisoners martyrs. And that plan is probably still on and could be part of the dozen that this guy will command. Wonder about the urgency to close that base and scatter the prisoners? Maybe this is why.

One more thing, the Lockerbie flight had 4 US intelligence officers on board. First Responders are always a target in terrorist attacks. So the travel of those people, and they know who they are... should be interesting.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Much like everyone else, I don't like the idea either.

But... you also have to consider that there was a lot about this event that simply doesn't make sense. It was the 9/11 of the time, with the same confusion, "official" narratives that made no sense, and scapegoats to take blame.

And any American saying how "offensive" and "disgraceful" it is, look at your own government before you start throwing your weight around. Look at the government that sent thousands of Americans in a war for Oil.

Scotland released one man, who probably wasn't even guilty. America killed thousands of people, sent two nations into war-torn chaos, put the lives of thousands of its own young men and women at risk...
Do I need to go on?

And if you deny you went in for Oil, explain why America's first job was to secure the Oil fields, while the hospitals, museums, schools were left to be looted and destroyed. Yeah, that sure sounds like "freeing the Iraqi people" doesn't it?



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