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Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip.

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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy

So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth, and harmful and painful sores came upon the people who bore the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

Revelation 16:2


Please don't take the Mark of the Barack!

Great find, thanks for the post!


I would like to know if anyone who is aware of this new development and has scoffed at the Bible, Revelations in particular, is having second thoughts. Is anyone brave enough to admit it?




posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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Class II implantables are almost exclusively RFID chips... good job quoting ... now read it
Class III are pacemakers and the like


I love it how people are lining up to get implanted before the bill is even out ... proves how the majority of us are dumber than dirt

[edit on 1-9-2009 by conspiracyrus]



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
Leagally required or not, it makes no difference. It is yet another stepping stone to the ultimate realization of their plans. By doing things in this manner we will be desensitized to all things "Chip". Be it RFID or GPS capeable. It will become the norm. It will get you into clubs faster, knock a few bucks off the grocery bill and pay for your gas with it by linking it to a credit card. How convieniant.

Baby steps folks, Baby steps. If you want to see how far baby steps will eventually get you think back to 1990. Cell phones were almost non existant, only Doctors carried pagers, almost no one owned a personal computer and even if they did there was no internet perse to gather information at the pace we do today. If you had a Sega genisis you were
a serious gamer and cars were still being made with tape decks from the factory.

That wasn't even 20 yrs ago. Where the # do you think we are going to be 20 yrs from today?
Think about it.


Referring to your remark "only doctors carried pagers" I remember that other than doctors, if you had a pager you were assumed to be a drug dealer. And that was back in the 90's.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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The Chip technology is there, it has been there waiting patiently in the wings for many years, for the actual companies who manufacture and will install the chips, those people are not diabolical, it is about the money to them. It's all business to them, but the core truth is it is the business of a New World Order, part of Satan's last stand for world domination. It was all foreseen by the Prophets of God thousands of years ago.



[edit on 1-9-2009 by Bombeni]



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Here is a good video produced by a hospital, espousing the need for rfid technology:




posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Sorry if things were miss understood but it seemed I was beinging made out as a fear monger.
To me it is simple fact the end result will be that they will want to chip everyone, as the technology advances to support this.
Every human, animal will have chip installed and it will be the infomatin tracking type.
It will also reach point where every thing you own wil have a RFID chip on board, as we head to a non-physical money paper society.

I did read you first post, and agree that at is time things are not that bad in reguad to being chipped, but this is only start, it will become pratical to have everyone chipped.
The Government want s compete control, this will give them that power, to monitor people from distance, it will be helpful in some ways, but in others you will aways be under the watchful eye of Big Brother.

This is a natural progression, all will be required to have Id on person, if you do not have this Id you will be detained until such a time you have beeen identified, chipped and released, unless you are wanted criminal, at which point they may still release you, like where you going to go.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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This thread is utter nonsense and frankly offends me when I think about ATS being used for protecting the Medical Device industry from review or regulation.


Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Nightflyer28
 


Class II implantables are almost exclusively RFID chips... good job quoting ... now read it
Class III are pacemakers and the like

I love it how people are lining up to get implanted before the bill is even out ... proves how the majority of us are dumber than dirt

[edit on 1-9-2009 by conspiracyrus]


By "dumber than dirt" you mean folks accepting your claims without any source? Or are you referring to yourself for posting these lies? without any proof? Not an insult...a question....and your words, not mine.

SOURCES...this took me 5 minutes...why doesn't any of the right wing blogs do the same? Or those repeating this nonsense?

I think we know the answer to that question.

Research. Sources. DENY IGNORANCE

Here let me show you how it works...

www.cato.org...


Classes and Tiers and What Difference Do They Make?

[the FDA] established three classes of medical devices (Classes I, II, and III), corresponding to devices of low, medium, and high risk. In 1994, the FDA implemented a three-tier system that ranks devices according to the intensity of required review. ..Some devices are novel, and some devices are similar, or nearly equivalent, to existing devices. For high-risk novel devices, the FDA requires a full pre-market approval


A "Class ii" device and "Class iii" device are defined by how much of a risk they are to the patient if they don't work....An artificial hip? Pacemaker? Get it?

See the words high risk devices? Required intensity or review? See the words "pre-market" review...sound familiar to "post-market review"?

"Pre-market" means the FDA reviews the studies the manufacturer sponsers prior to the product being released.

"Post-Market" as in this bill means reviewing actual "outcomes" to determine is the studies they were given were BS or not...but Medical device manufacturers would never skew the numbers for money right?

But PLEASE keep the implantable chip BS going. Someone has to be a propaganda pawn and protect for the poor 23 Billion dollar Medical Device industry from patients wondering if their pacemaker works properly...right?

They should be able to put whatever they like into us without any proof it works. It's all about capitalism...right?

It must be SOCIALISM to want to actually review whether a given manufacturers artificial hip or heart stint sucks or not!!!!

Here lets try another SOURCE...Ya know, those things you don't like to use when you spout propaganda nonsense.

Wikipedia...
en.wikipedia.org...



Class I devices present minimal potential for harm to the user and are often simpler in design than Class II or Class III devices. These devices are subject only to general controls. General controls cover such issues as manufacturer registration with the FDA, good manufacturing techniques, proper branding and labelling, notification of the FDA before marketing the device, and general reporting procedures




Class II devices are those for which general controls alone are insufficient to assure safety and effectiveness, and additional existing methods are available to provide such assurances. Therefore, Class II devices are also subject to special controls in addition to the general controls of Class I devices. Special controls may include special labeling requirements, mandatory performance standards, and postmarket surveillance.[2] Devices in Class II are held to a higher level of assurance than Class I devices that they will perform as indicated and will not cause injury or harm to patient or user.




A Class III device is one for which insufficient information exists to assure safety and effectiveness solely through the general or special controls sufficient for Class I or Class II devices.



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[edit on 1-9-2009 by maybereal11]



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:59 PM
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It is crazy to me that people have gone this far....where they are willing to lie to protect Medical Device Manufacturers from FDA review...

Just astounding ...the lengths to which folks have been told they are in a culture war and they must spread lies to win....

And they find themselves spouting nonsense for a 23 Billion Dollar Medical Device industry fighting to keep the government from reviewing the very products that our lives depend on.

Just insane...



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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Will this device be in the hand or forehead?



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Sovereingty of self comes to mind. However, you living within a state that makes you eligible for common defense draft, one way or another.
Florida, I guess is like most southern states, they can draft any able body resident for almost any reason. depending on how far back you want to go in the law. like GA it started in late 1600's, Here in Florida, I would say the Pirates wrote this states laws, the way the state treats its citizens. is well draconian.
(if u didnt notice I'm still steamed at the sheriffs and police basically giving everybody a ticket for something wrong, just about everyone I know has been stopped and everyone deserved a ticket, but its everyone>.. if you get me drift, one serious cash machine going on in my neck of the woods.


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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by CharlesMartel
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Will this device be in the hand or forehead?

This is interesting you to say, and this is my thought on the matter .
At some point they will want to embed chip in people, one good reson would be to track medical things such as flu shots in event of a panedemic.

The chip would not be Mark of Beast, you would need reader to read chip, so everyone who receives vaccine will receive chip and also receive mark on person to show to everyone they had been vaccinated, you will be given choice of right hand or forehead. The head is more visible but some people cover their heads. This mark would be indelible so it would not wash away easily, and the fact of being more than one shot, you would have more than one mark.
Something else I found interesting if I am correct in Hebrew the number 6 is represented by the sign of ( l ), so ( l ) translates to 6.
If was a simple mark ( l ) so 3 shots, three marks ( lll ) in Hebrew would be seen as 666.

Since I'm here I also believe the Beast, will be the NWO, brought to power by the WHO.




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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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take a look at who im replying to ... he didnt read his own source and im calling him on it ... and you too should read your own sources... do all of you people just skim the surface and then post it so you can try and win an argument? Deny your own ignorance should be your slogan



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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I just cant believe this thread is on page nine and still talking about forced implants/vaccines and mark of the beast. Not to mention that a vaccine is pretty much never givenn though the hand or forehead. It does not make much sense.

Please, for the love of God, can we edit the title now to include (hoax), it seems like people are still coming to this thread believing what has been pretty much thoroughly reviewed pages ago and found to be false.

The bill in its entirety is in my sig. Review the section in question in its entirety. Nothing mandates a forced device entry. An it surely does not set a forced device entry as a pre-condition to health care anywhere in the bill.

IT is linked in my sig. Please find it.

[edit on 9/2/2009 by DYepes]



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:31 AM
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READ THE BILL people, it is referring to pacemakers, med pumps and other currently used implant medical devices, and calls for tracking of these items just like you track any consumer goods. With out such tracking they don't know what items might have problems.

Fold up the tinfoil and wash the lambs blood off the door posts.


Copy/Paste, the "url" function here screws it up

www.opencongress.org...
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[edit on 9/2/09 by Webmusher]

[edit on 9/2/09 by Webmusher]



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:00 AM
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a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
transponder system for patient identification and health information."


That does not sound like a pace maker to me... and even so why should my grandpa have to get an RFID chip with his pace maker?

I think your just playing devils advocate here in the hopes that we will not resist the the evils that come... I mean seriously, chipping has no place in healthcare. None.

It is just something those with power want to do to those with out so as to maintain order over the herd.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:12 AM
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The chip does not come into the pacemaker. A class II device is mentioned as being a product in the registry subject to oversight and study just as any other.

Whether we like it or not, people have already recieved chips and the numbers will grow. I dont see it as any mroe than a product, but these people also deserve the oversight as anyoone who would recieve a pacemaker. If a particular chipmakers' chip explodes next to a microwave, we need to have that information beforehand so we dont let sub-par merchandise into peoples bodies.

In theory this may be able to include body mods by people in alternative lifestyles, but since that is not usually done by licensed physicians or covered by any health care providers, they may not be.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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This is only the begining, with time and improvements the RFID chip will find further uses, such as tracking chips for crimnals, tracking chips for you chidren, soliders, tracking information chips for evey human animal on Earth.

There will be RFID chips in everything you own.

The Verichip became the first subcutaneous RFID chip to receive FDA approval as CLASS II medical device.

This part of Pandoras box is not completely open yet

Government wants control the REAL-ID was plan for more control, the chip is coming maybe not tomorrow, but soon, unless we blow everything to Hell first.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by DYepes
I just cant believe this thread is on page nine and still talking about forced implants/vaccines and mark of the beast. Not to mention that a vaccine is pretty much never givenn though the hand or forehead. It does not make much sense.

Please, for the love of God, can we edit the title now to include (hoax), it seems like people are still coming to this thread believing what has been pretty much thoroughly reviewed pages ago and found to be false.

The bill in its entirety is in my sig. Review the section in question in its entirety. Nothing mandates a forced device entry. An it surely does not set a forced device entry as a pre-condition to health care anywhere in the bill.

IT is linked in my sig. Please find it.

[edit on 9/2/2009 by DYepes]

I'm sure the Jews did not want the numbers placed on their wrist either, if the Nazis had the RFID chip I'm sure they would of used it.

It's quite possible you don't even relize you are nothing but a Strawman to the Government given as colateral to the FED, when the United States went bankrupt in the thirties, and the Fed called in it's loans, Social Security, you and every other Strawman was sold off as colateral to the FED.

Many will want the Chip, like the little braclet some wear on their wrist, that gives minimal medical info
With the chip when the Medic shows up with his reader, he will have all your medical info displayed on a screen, age , blood type, medication you are taking, who your insurance carrier is, who to contact next of kin, Dna, if you are organ donor, current medical problems.

And the RFID is in fact a Class II device.

The mark of the Beast will be a visable thing the chip will not be visable, but once things are standardized, there will be a preferred location.
Right now it seems to be being installed in upper right arm or forearm.

The Mark of The Beast will be a visable thing, for all to see, and it will be Mark proof, your friend won't have a reader to sscan your chip, but they will know by your mark that you are ok. The readers will be all over the place but with different clearence levels as to how far it can read into your chip, so as to, you will be able to go to work, get food and motvate thru your day.
If you personnally have a higher secrurity clearence on you chip you will have more leway in the things you do, as having differnt curfew, rights to travel in to differnt areas.
You will have the visable mark for all to see, with out the visable mark you won't go anywhere except for interagation, and having complete scan to find out why you are not in compliance.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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You could chang the entire congress but it still would not fix the problem. Its' the lobbyists. As long as they are present nothing will change. The ship is sinking and they are arguing on how to arrange the deck chairs. Pretty soon we are not going to have a government to tell us what to do as the empire is going to collapse.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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oh hell another lie wtf ! these pundits must work for the big insurance companies ! lies and deception abound !



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