Great discussion post Op! Star and flag for you.

And now my two cents for what it's worth...

I would hope if I were in the position of those who were gravely ill, that there would be a doctor who would make my transition into the next world as comfortable as possible. People now days love their pets enough to help them die pain free with dignity by having them euthanized when death is eminent. I am one of those people, I hate to see them suffer.

Why should my grandma expect to be treated any less humanely when her time nears? Nope, when her time comes she's getting a pretty bow put in her hair, a Baskin Robins last meal and the needle just like the pets in our home. I would hope someone would give me that same consideration.

J/K about grandma and Baskin Robins by the way, but you get my point.

Originally posted by Sundancer
I would hope someone would give me that same consideration.

And I hope there would be people like myself to push for prosecution and execution of those individuals who would inflict such 'consideration' onto their patients.

Originally posted by Sundancer
Great discussion post Op! Star and flag for you.

And now my two cents for what it's worth...

I would hope if I were in the position of those who were gravely ill, that there would be a doctor who would make my transition into the next world as comfortable as possible. People now days love their pets enough to help them die pain free with dignity by having them euthanized when death is eminent. I am one of those people, I hate to see them suffer.

Why should my grandma expect to be treated any less humanely when her time nears? Nope, when her time comes she's getting a pretty bow put in her hair, a Baskin Robins last meal and the needle just like the pets in our home. I would hope someone would give me that same consideration.

J/K about grandma and Baskin Robins by the way, but you get my point.

"StarDancer"
Awesome that we agree with both your pet's and grandma's comfort in passing on if need be. But honestly that is not what this was about. I am simply stating that I agree with you having that choice and I would probably make the same choice but these people in Katrina didn't have a choice and didn't even know it was happeing. That's Murder!!!!!!!!

The whole Katrina situation in New Orleans, is nothing more than an excuse for the govornment to "Thin Out the Herd". Why do you think that it took so long for the govornment to take action before and after the strom. Im not saying the govornment can control the weather ( OT- Bill Gates thinks he can. Saw it on the news.) but the way I see it, Katrina was an excuse for our govornment to take care of "Undesireables" Im not basing it on race or anything like that.

The govornments of the world are in crisis over food and fuel shortages. the only way they can see to help these problems is to decrease the population. Katrina was a great cover for our leader to let people die, and as in the article, get doctors involved in euthanizing patients that could have been helped if the govornment had stepped in properly instead of letting things get out of hand.

I see things coming to the point where the govornment decides if you are allowed children and if you are one of the "desireables" that are permitted to live because you provide something for your country and once your too old to provide that service, you are eliminated. You can see thier thinking of course. How much money could be saved if the elderly werent living off social security for years and years, because face it, people are living longer.

Then imagine the money they would be saving for such things as the military and alternative fuels if those recieving disability or other forms of govornment assistance weren't around sapping govornment funds. Katrina was a blatent example of the govornment stepping in and reducing the population ( covering it up very very well of course) ObamaCare is the next step in the process to the govornment deciding if you are valuable enough to be kept well or even live.

Originally posted by ChameleonCircuit

The govornments of the world are in crisis over food and fuel shortages.

No they are not.

Artifical Scarcity has been created to control the people.

The larger the population, the less control the few can exert over the many - that is why governments and elites want to limit population growth.

*When I was a child there were only 2 billion people and governments still said there wasn't enough resources and population had to be reduced.....

Well there are 7 billion of us now and the Good Earth has provided for us that which the governments of the world said it could not.

On Artificial Scarcity- I apologize for misphrasing what i was trying to say. Of course the govornments are only out to make it look like we are running out of things. It gives them more power over the people, unless you choose to not abide by thier falsehoods.

On turning away aide- I agree that sending people away is rediculous, If the govornment wasn't there to turn them away and any others, could you imagine how many people would have been saved. The fact of the matter is that if the govornment had not seen this as an opportunity to eliminate a mass group of people, the whole situation would have been handled before the storm even made landfall. Its just like H1N1 today, they will use it to scare people into getting something they want, just wait for it.

Originally posted by uplander
I would also deeply thank the brave Drs or nurses who were compassionate enough to help me go out with dignity and grace, not struggling in pain and fear.

You should also write a note for them to use in their defense at their murder trial.

I mean, you don't want your murder to result in the lose of their career or anything.....

Awesome that we agree with both your pet's and grandma's comfort in passing on if need be. I am simply stating that I agree with you having that choice and I would probably make the same choice.

Aw, you totally rock! I'm originally from down south and people like you that would take my grandma to Baskin Robins if need be will always be welcome at my BBQs. Sorry, I'm getting a little punchy

In all seriousness, I know what you're getting at but I just don't know how to feel about the DR's choice. I don't know how ill these people were or what shape they were in. Were they already on deaths door?

I personally would not have wanted to be left alone to drown in mud and sweat in my golden years, but you have a point maybe some of those people would have wanted to die like that and weren't given the option.

Originally posted by Sundancer
maybe some of those people would have wanted to die like that and weren't given the option.

Maybe?

The weren't told they were going to die.

They were just murdered. Some in their sleep.

No time to pray or get right with God. No time to think over past actions. No time to think of their families.

They were put down like animals.

Originally posted by Sundancer

Do you believe no one should have the choice of dying with dignity or do you believe that no one should be able to make the choice for anyone else?

Murder is murder and people should be punished for committing it.

I am all for life sentences - I actually prefer that to execution, despite the cost.

*America has hung people for doing what this doctor did. Heck, we even hung the nurses.


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