Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
As far as the power to forgive itself goes...it is the only thing that stops the Karmic Wheel. Regardless of why someone chooses not to forgive is
irrelevant, the fact that they can not forgive keeps them on the Karmic Wheel.
Well, if you're right I'll be quite happy to spend the rest of my days on your "karmic wheel". I'll never forgive and most definately will never
forget. . . And, more importantly, neither should anyone else!
That's truly sad because you will always see yourself as a victim and or a potential victim and as such will always be by extension victimizing
others with your inability to assimilate and learn and grow through the experience.
The ideal of Judaism/Zionism is a complex one as it shifts its focus both collectively and individually from time to time from matters of state
(Israel) to matters of race (the hereditary Jew) to matters of religion (The various Hebrew Sects).
To my knowledge no one other nation, race or religion seeks to constantly define itself through so many hats.
Yet my point is that there is a danger in that because as the focus shifts from one aspect to another it’s easy to loose sight of how an aspect such
as what the State does (the political body of Jews and Jewish politics) can affect the Religious (the parishioner) or the human being (the race).
In my humble opinion it can lead to a improperly diagnosed premise when the politics of a group, then have a backlash on the religion of a group, and
the religion is comprised of primarily a specific race.
There is much to be said for the American forefathers wanting to separate religion and state.
My own understanding of a far deeper examination of that period of history is that the Jews feel out of favor in Germany because of politics and not
religion and not because of Nazi politics but because of Jewish political goals and lets be honest, Jews as a race, religion and a State in Diaspora
and now a De Facto State do have political goals. Political goals that sometimes run counter to their host countries in Diaspora and it has led to
difficulties for those Jews who are only Jewish in race and those Jews who are simply spiritual with no mind to or for a collective body politic.
No group was simply singled out by Hitler from random prejudice, but was singled out because he saw it being counter productive to the state.
The myth of the Holocaust is Jews were singled out for their religion and or race, and the reality is they were singled out for their politics, their
machinations inside of Germany post Balfour Agreement during the final phase of World War I and in the post World War I years and their flirtations
with Bolshevism and Communism.
Down playing how Jewish politics factored into the Nazi's State's genocidal policies has a real drawback to the rest of the world in that it has
been taught a false presumption that Fascism and Nazism is really about racism and while Eugenics figured predominately in Fascism and Nazism the
political inclinations of various races, religions and lifestyles factored in heavily into Eugenics itself.
Like the OP's decision to post this thread in the Political forum instead of the Religious forum what happened to everyone who became victims of the
Fascist State really was about politics. The political leanings of the larger group and how it fit productively into the State is what caused the Jews
along with other groups to be singled out by the Fascists.
Fascism is on the rise again all across the globe and most people can't recognize it for what it is because it has been so distorted in definition by
I see a clear and present danger in the rise of Fascism for everyone including the Jews and in my humble opinion one of the reasons so many people are
having a hard time identifying the growing elements of fascism in Western pseudo representative democracies is because of the distorted view of
Fascism created for the sake of Jewish/Israeli/Zionist politics.
Simply put some people never forget but some people never learn either.
Some people never learn because they are incapable of forgiveness...
Most especially themselves...and most especially when they fail to recognize their own culpability in what eventually led to a situation where harm
befell the greater group because of the political aspirations and machinations of the few or the leading body that then tars the larger group through
You can't forgive others in life until you are first capable of forgiving yourself in life and if arrogance or ignorance or sheer willful deceit
prevents one from acknowledging their own faults and mistakes the fist step of learning to forgive, the act of forgiving one's self than can't move
to the next step of forgiving others.
Here in lies the legendary Jewish guilt, and it really does suffer collectively a karmic debt for it, and it really does perpetuate it's own
victimization as a result and it really does it by victimizing others through that singular inability to display what is arguably humanities greatest
virtue...the ability to forgive.
To err is human to forgive is divine and Houston we have a problem there with a group of people who through wearing so many hats have become jacks of
all trades and Masters of none.
That lack of mastery would include the propaganda field and I am calling foul and flag on the play!
[edit on 31/8/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]