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Originally posted by Somamech
Surely our Government can't be that quick
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 6:47 AM
I recently spotted some very interesting over lapping spirals at the intersection of Hatt Rd. and Stuart Highway south of Alice Springs. They appear to be ancient petroglyph's (or geoglyphs), perhaps Aboriginal Art? I have been attempting to find out about them but it seems their proximity to Pine Gap seems to make that difficult.
The location is here: -23° 49' 17.71", +133° 49' 58.83"
Any information you mighty have on this would be greatly appreciated
Thank you for your time
PS Here is the image...
Las Vegas Nevada
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:40 AM
Dear Mr Bednarik
We have received the following enquiry from Ron Schmidt. I hope that you do not mind me forwarding it to you but it has been suggested that you may be better placed to assist him than Geoscience Australia, or that you may be able to refer him to somebody else who can.
Collection Services Librarian
The N.H. (Doc) Fisher Geoscience Library
GPO Box 378, Canberra, ACT, 2601, Australia
From: Siro Felicity On Behalf Of Library Reference
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 11:37 AM
To: Education; Media; Earth Monitoring
Cc: Library Reference
Subject: FW: Geoglyphs near Alice Springs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
I see this enquiry has gone to many places. Anyone taken it up? I hope so because I do not know the answer!
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 12:11 AM
Dear Ron (and Felicity),
Most certainly your spirals are not petroglyphs, they occur in sandy soil. Judging from the width of the highway, they are more than 50 m in diameter.
I have seen hundreds of geoglyphs in various continents, especially South America, but none of such perfect geometry. Australian geoglyphs occur as "stone arrangements" and their typical forms are well known.
What you have here is either someone having had some fun (this has happened before further south, where some chap created a giant human figure with a grader), or alternatively, and more likely, this is incidental to some utilitarian activity, such as an irrigation machine.
It is certainly of no interest to us, but thank you for raising it.
Robert G. Bednarik
Editor, Int. Fed. of Rock Art Organisations (IFRAO)
Sent: Monday, 31 August 2009 10:13 PM
I am not able to help you further with your inquiry except to say that the Northern Territory Geological Survey may be able to point you in the right direction for more information.
Education Centre Manager
GPO Box 378, Canberra, ACT, 2601
Corner Jerrabomberra Avenue and Hindmarsh Drive, Symonston, ACT, 2609
Subject: Re: Geoglyphs near Alice Springs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Sent: Monday, 31 August 2009 9:47 PM
From: Danny Galbraith
To: [various recipients]
There are a number of the spirals in the Alice Springs area.
I am not sure who or what created them.
Degrees minutes, seconds
S23 46 19 - E133 52 34
S23 46 09 - E133 52 51
S23 46 39 - E133 52 38
Geodesy Project Officer
Geoscience Australia Earth Monitoring Group
S 35 20’ 35” - E 149 09’ 30”
Originally posted by ocker
reply to post by ocker
Good post Ocker the Circles Zorgon found are also found all over the world and are either on the landscape or on stone as petroglyphs they seem to be some common meaning that all our ancestors shared at one time.
Good research mate .
from everyone who over looked the effort you put in your post.
Originally posted by stealthyaroura
reply to post by Nohup
oh man i just got here and you beat me to it! i was gonna go down the "walk the line" prayer enlightenment route too. yes i believe some of the lines are a form of meditation.
maybe one has to lick a toad or simler and go on some mystically deep meditation trip, walking these lines especially the circles to gain an insight to some wisdom.
i for some reason become "aware" of this conclusion and i dont know why! it just popped into my head weird. hmmm very deep. ( but not necessarily correct )
Originally posted by Somamech
SO where's that guy that lives in Alice Springs and his un-used airport?
Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by Somamech
There are two things noticeable in that area.
1. The spirals are older than that road.
2. The spirals are older than the bushes/trees.
Searching for scientific connections that were not superficial, I was amazed by the relevance of the concept of a ‘spiral timeline’. Historical development of scientific ideas is an underpinning theme in NSW science syllabus. We conventionally draw a straight line, horizontal or vertical, divided accurately into years and marking off events/discoveries/scientists births in an orderly fashion. The Aboriginal timeline is linear but in a spiral formation. Oomera explained how there are significant occasions when one can move between the lines – for example, move across and say ‘Sorry’.