Cop at town hall rally tells protester "This aint America no more", page 3
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reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 12:41 PM by Troy_
reply to post by allclear



That does not give you any more of a right to exist than them.


We are all human, we were all born into existence, thus it is our right to life. We should be treated as equal.

What you need to understand is that the current state of awareness that the general population has, is because of years of deceit, manipulation, and conscious/subconscious programming by the power elite.

It is not their fault.


reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 12:59 PM by andrewh7
Originally posted by jam321
reply to
post by jimmyx



he said you americans don't have a clue what it is like to live in a socialist country. he says america has provided him and his family so much freedom that he still loves living here compared to constantly living in fear inside russia.


Your friend is correct. But remember, he can compare the two because he has lived in both. Many Americans can only compare the America they grew up in and the America they now live in. It's the only country they know.

Glad to hear your friend is enjoying a better life.



Most Americans have access to public schools, libraries, and the internet. You don't need to have lived in Russia to understand the absurdity of saying the United States has become the USSR or Nazi Germany. You don't even have to have lived during the 50s to criticize the hysteria that had a nation accusing people of being communists, destroying their reputations and costing them their jobs. If you had asked me in August 2001 about that period of time, I would have told you how grateful I am to be living today, knowing that the US has moved beyond that kind of fear and ignorance.

Then, we began calling everyone a terrorist. Then, we began calling everyone a communist. We haven't changed at all. It seems that we will always need an excuse to hate and distrust people. We can't feel like "Americans" without being able to label someone else as "unAmerican." We choose to be so blissfully ignorant to the world outside our borders and the history recorded in detail that is easily accessible at our fingertips. Widespread confirmatory bias permits each of us to disregard any information that contradicts the conclusions we have already reached and to which we have committed ourselves.

We look at our "enemies," both foreign and domestic, as dispassionate, inhuman and nothing like ourselves. We fear criticism because we are afraid of appearing foolish. We are afraid of discovering that we've made a fundamental mistake in our reasoning. We see ourselves as infallible and we will follow anyone who agrees with us anywhere we are told to go.

The corporate media tells us what we should think by telling us what "everyone else" thinks. We presume our preferred sources of information are unbiased, "fair and balanced" when they are in fact catering to our own biases.

We will forever bounce back and forth between left and right, each side hating the other rather than the game. The law was supposed to unite us all under a scheme in which we were all treated the same, but that law has always been subject to the whims of a small group of men who fight with each other, back and forth, left and right, to decide how it will instead be selectively enforced, under the direction of lobbyists and special interests.

The right claims to act at the direction of God, and the left claims to act in the interests of the people as a whole. Both claims are utterly ridiculous and impossible. You people see yourselves as so different from your neighbor but if you were to look at the US from outside the fish bowl, you'd see that nothing ever changes. We all have families, children, and jobs. We are all looking for purpose and direction. The majority of us are generally disinterested the events that place outside of our own lives, outside of the pleasure of novelty and memorable anecdotes. We want money, respect, and power. We want to control what other people think and do. We define ourselves by the level of authority that we can impose on others.

We hate each other for being different but the inescapable truth is that we are all the same.


[edit on 29-8-2009 by andrewh7]


reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 03:12 PM by eMachine
Originally posted by andrewh7
We want money, respect, and power. We want to control what other people think and do. We define ourselves by the level of authority that we can impose on others.


You're definitely not speaking for me, sir.

But yes, everything you said is probably true for the majority. Most of us have been conditioned throughout our lives by the education system, the media, and the established society we have forced ourselves to fit into. We have developed an authoritarian philosophy... rather, I suppose that's all mankind has really known for centuries.

We want money, respect, and power, because striving for these things reinforces the power of those in power. The only way to achieve such things is to play their game, to go along with the establishment.

We want to control what others think and do, and we want to impose our authority on others, because we believe in the authoritarian philosophy we've picked up from established institutions and norms. This has created a society which oppresses itself. People think they're responsible for keeping others in line. Doesn't it make it so much easier to control a society if you can get them to willingly try to control those around them?

Complete and utter manipulation of the human mind. None of that is real. None of that is true. We are all the same, because we are all individuals. We are all free. No one can have power over us unless they can convince us they do. There is no authority. It's a lie.

The only thing you have any authority over is your own mind, but you give that authority away to others, causing you to try and get others to give you authority over them. It's kind of funny what a mind[expletive] this authoritarian philosophy is.

Anyway, those other two people the man in the video was talking to after the cop (or school security officer w/e) left. They definitely come off as "teachers" to me. I can't imagine anyone else having that tone with another adult and thinking it's okay.

This is still America. I think we're just starting to acknowledge the fact that the American ideals of liberty, freedom, individuality, equality etc., have never actually been realized. They won't be, unless we stop perpetuating authoritarian philosophy in our own lives.

/end rant



reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 08:32 PM by xyankee
reply to post by ExPostFacto



I would find another job if that is the case! No one is forcing him to accept the position.


reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 10:13 PM by fixer1967
reply to post by jimmyx



Ask your friend 10 years from now about this and see what he says then. It may be something like this "I left Russia to get away from this mess!" and may even think about going back or at least some where else.



reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 12:19 AM by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Wimbly



I don't like what I see happening at these town halls. It seems the protesters are taking it too far just to try to instigate when during Bush people were in trouble for anti-Bush anti-war T-shirts now protesters bring loaded weapons to health care debates and think they complain when security comes around.

It just seems like more partisanship and division being created and crafted. TPTB know we are reaching a breaking point as a nation and are trying to redirect our anger toward each other or toward a particular political ideology...

We best be careful or the Second American Revolution will be a useless endeavor that ends up with us being even more controlled by the Elite...



reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 11:05 AM by sdcigarpig
Originally posted by jam321
reply to
post by Chovy



If it ain't America then what is it?


A Changing America, but America nonetheless.

Schools are the worst at passing worthless rules.


The cop makes me mad when he says he will charge the guy with whatever he wants to charge him with. Poor Cop can't even tell the guy what makes it illegal to hold up the sign.

What the cop did was wrong, but at the same time after viewing the clip I am also under the belief that what the person did was also wrong. I do know that what they were telling him as far as the laws concerning free speech on a public school grounds, are different and do not follow the rest of society. That is how the adminstration is getting away with alot of curtailing what is allowable to be shown and not shown, you do it in areas where the legal precedents have been set out by the Supreme Court. If this town hall meeting had been at say a civic center, then the person shooting the video clip and holding the sign would have a legal ground to stand on, but on public school property, then those activities can be curtailed. IN short you are looking at a case of legal censureship.
In retrospect, and as an uniterested party, found that the person who was shooting the video clip was very confrontational. If you want to sway a persons opinion, you do not do it in a way to where it is confrontational, but make enough of a valid point as to cause doubt in the other persons mind.
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