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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Well, part of the problem is you might need to get more resolute video. Because I went and dug up a decent original of the first impact clip, and captured a screen of what you are talking about. You can clearly see here those are some kind of boxes mounted on the building. Definitely not explosions, imo. And you can see the same thing in the corner of the other building too.
So I want my star and flag back! lol, j/k, keep em. You get an A for effort, my friend.
[edit on Sat Aug 29th 2009 by TrueAmerican]
I sorta subscribe to the A3 scenario.
A 757 couldn't do the maneuver needed to do the pentagon.
A missile discharged just prior to impact of the tower by the A3,
a missile loaded with say phosphorous and napalm or newer high tech incendiary and explosive devices----- could explain molten steel better than the OS BS.
I refute you as a person without compassion for thousands of dead Americans and their families.
Not only here at home but for every body bag that reaches these shores from the Corporate campaigns you indorse.
The Douglas A-3 Skywarrior was a strategic bomber built for the United States Navy and among the longest serving carrier-based jet aircraft. It entered service in the mid-1950s and was retired in 1991.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Seventh
9). It is deemed and proved that roof top rescues were prohibited for no other apparent reason than dead men tell no tales.
10). Would it not be the case also - If a country has no qualms about killing it`s own then killing those whom could tell the truth, were killed with the aid of something (gas etc) as soon as the Jets hit.
More sick theories from a sick whacko
The FDNY helicopters circled the roof and attempted to land to check
conditions. Roof of North Tower is covered with antenna from everything
from broadcast stations to microwave and cellphonein addition to HVAC
equipment. Heat and smoke prevented helicopters from approaching building to land. Doors to roof were locked to keep daredevils and suicides
You are saying that helicopters were not to land in order to insure
that everyone died?
You then contend that the survivors were gassed!
Sick stuff from one sicko...
What is sick here is your lack of chopper rescue capabilities.
Why were there no Coast Guard choppers? Why were there no National Guard choppers.
They could lower cages from Sky Cranes or Chinooks.
Hueys can put one skid down on the edge of a building and load passengers. If the egress passages were locked---- that someone that made that decision and any one that defends them should be dropped from a chopper of their choice on to the spire of the Empire State or the Chrysler building.
As for the gas why not. They did every other thing they could to produce the most cowardly act of the new century and the last.
At 9:06, the NYPD Chief of Department instructed that no units were toland on the roof of either tower. At about 9:30, one of the helicopters present advised that a rooftop evacuation still would not be possible. One NYPD helicopter pilot believed one portion of the North Tower roof to be free enough of smoke that a hoist could be lowered in order to rescue people, but there was no one on the roof. This pilot's helicopter never attempted to hover directly over the tower. Another helicopter did attempt to do so, and its pilot stated that the severity of the heat from the jet fuelladen fire in the North Tower would have made it impossible to hover low enough for a rescue, because the high temperature would have destabilized the helicopter. At 9:51, an aviation unit warned units of large pieces of debris hanging fromthe building. Prior to 9:59, no NYPD helicopter pilot predicted that either tower would collapse.
Giuliani said he raised the possibility of a rooftop helicopter landing at the scene with Chief of Department Peter Ganci - who died in the collapse of the south tower.
Ganci told the mayor that intense fire and smoke made an air rescue too risky and would have jeopardized the lives of the police pilots.
Port Authority officials confirmed a report in yesterday's Wall Street Journal that the doors leading to the roofs of both towers were locked for security reasons with Fire Department approval.
PA spokesman Allen Morrison defended the lockdown, saying access was tightly restricted to keep vandals away from the sensitive communication equipment on the roof.
Atop the Trade Center were antennas for television and radio stations, cellular phone systems, police communications, Port Authority facilities and Federal Aviation Administration navigational equipment.
"There was ample reason to protect access to all that equipment, even aside from preventing the possibility of potential suicides or daredevils," Morrison said.
On Sept. 11, a rescue from the north tower would have been difficult but possible, Mr. Semendinger and other veteran helicopter-rescue pilots say. The first building hit by a hijacked plane, at 8:48 a.m., the north tower was the second to collapse, one hour and 45 minutes later. Records of calls to 911 operators, first reported by the New York Daily News, show that people on the top floors were seeking help at least until 10:12 a.m., one hour and 24 minutes after the strike. With fire raging on the floors below them, they had no hope of walking down to safety.
Whether even a few of those lives could have been saved by a roof rescue isn't clear. Climbing staircases rapidly filling with smoke could have been tough. The plane's impact might have knocked stairway doors out of alignment, making them impassible, regardless of whether they were locked. The intense smoke and forest of rooftop antennas made landing a helicopter impossible. Rescuers also could have had trouble if a crowd of workers turned into a desperate mob, competing to get off the roof.
But Mr. Semendinger says the wind that morning did leave a corner of the tower relatively clear of smoke, almost until the building collapsed. Using a hoist with folding seats, rescuers could have saved as many as a few dozen people, he estimates.
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Donny - pssst: look up "refute".
Originally posted by Donny 4 million
I would like to address the jettisoned air through the broken windows malarkey.
Until someone can show me the myriad of glass particles spraying forth into the low level morning sun light reflecting what should be a rainbow of tiny fireflies. I say it is malarkey
Originally posted by GenRadek
reply to post by Seventh
But how can a squib "eject" from one little window, without knocking out the windows next to them?
How can a detonation from a squib even hold its shape from the core to the window in a jet like that? Considering how the floors were arranged, its kinda hard to believe a squib would create a jet of air.
Also on further review, why does the "squib" increase in speed over time?Why does it appear to INCREASE in speed, rather than the usual quick initial velocity and slowdown? Thats not how explosives work Seventh.