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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by thomasc83
If all hunting stopped now, the few natural predators left would not be enough to keep animal populations in check. The result could be devestating to those species. It could cause endangerment and even extinction just like over-hunting could.
I just gave you a star - because I agree with you
but I want to point out one thing - the part about if the hunting stopped -
when do we finally acknowledge either that hunting is a part of the natural balance - or that it isn't?
if you took it away - nature would correct itself - eventually
but it would balance itself according to the existing conditions - not the ideal conditions we have in our heads - the existing conditions
the natural world can appear to be a pretty harsh place from our point of view - but the things that disappear would disappear - naturally
even if it's a direct result of our interference - pro or con
so - hunting then is not any more natural than feeding the bears in my view - especially if you look at it as a method of maintenance and control
it is still something that is being decided and carried out by us - that wouldn't happen if you removed us from the equation
I'm going to say something unpopular - but it needs to be said - and I know you'll understand this
I actually support hunting in a crisis of over population
for one reason and one reason only - it's usually a direct result of human involvement - and the suffering of the wildlife that results is far more cruel than being shot
disease, starvation and injury are all slow, painful horrible ways to die
anyone who has ever seen a deer too weak to get itself out of a snowbank will understand what I'm saying
people tend to have this idea that in nature - things just lie down and go to sleep when they die - because we can't see it - and it doesn't involve us
the point I really want to make is this - our relationship with nature is changing - we can argue about it all we want - but it's done
it's never going to go back to the pristine ideal we hold in our heads - unless you remove us
it's why this situation doesn't bother me so much
12 years without any problems - it's a clue to the nature of this arrangement
it could change of course - but I think everyone is already aware of that
I apologize for bringing down the mood
[edit on 8/29/2009 by Spiramirabilis]
Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by nonnez
This thread keeps being pulled up; I'm glad People like the video. Now, I want opinions.
Is it right for Moose to have their legs cut off by the passing train, or the snowplow trucks to hit them, and kill'em in winter? it happens
No! Not right.
Is it right that cars kill Moose, Bear, Deer, Elk, etc. in areas; which are natural habitat for these animals? it happens
No! Not right.
What about the numerous times animals...........Bears get into trash; which is impossible to keep away from them; later to find a Bear starved to death because of a Gawd d$mn bucket stuck on it's head? it happens
No! Not right.
Tell me, or my Friends to leave the Animals alone, or the next guy, but what about over all human populations???? it happens
Leave the Animals alone! (Next guy too!) Almost all human populations have a hugely negative effect on natural populations of wild animals.
Don't You see We all are not living in any sort of harmony of with Nature. We are so far lost from Nature I cannot even begin to describe. Answer all the questions I just laid out, and then We can discuss who's nutty, or who's hurting the wildlife, and Nature
Agreed, mankind has lost touch with nature, there are individuals who still live in harmony, but as a species - we've blown it, and Mother Nature may well soon bite back big-time, if we haven't already condemned ourselves with our own actions.
[edit on 30-8-2009 by sanchoearlyjones]
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Seriously it should be illegal to kill animals for "sport" its murder plain and simple