It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.


Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.


What You Fight Is What You Become

page: 1
<<   2 >>

log in


posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 02:31 PM
You think that by fighting the
Bohemian Grovers
other Secret Societies
New World Order
The Government
The Shadow Government
The Police
The Military
The Illuminati
and all others that you label as "Teh Bad Guys"
...somehow justifies you as a better person?

Oh no, Dear Ladies and Gentlemen - you are dividing, discriminating and judging those very people that you accuse of dividing, discriminating and judging you.

So you think that "Teh Bad Guys'" acts toward you are discrimination, racism, manipulation, brutality, dividing, judging.

Well, have you looked at yourselves?

The first chance you get, your acts towards "Teh Bad Guys" will be discrimination, racism, manipulation, brutality, dividing, judging. Hell, this entire forum is filled with ready-to-go anger-filled NWO rebellion. Your guns are ready, aren't they?

You are no better than them, you just happen to be on the other side of the scale.

Remember, wars will only create more wars. And what you fight is what you become.


And perhaps the original plan of "Teh Bad Guys" was always to get people like you, the NWO-rebellions, to get more and more aggressive and to start ACTING and rioting against this unseen enemy you call New World Order (New World Order is the new War On Terror - they are mere concepts), so "Teh Bad Guys" can finally have an excuse to throw you in FEMA camp.

Yes, YOU will be doing all their dirty work, because it will be YOU who will put yourself in a FEMA camp.


[edit on 28-8-2009 by Spooky Fox Mulder]

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 02:41 PM
enjoy your fema camp!

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
- Edmund Burke

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:01 PM
reply to post by warrenb

I was about write a paragraph about how pacifism doesn't always work but your comment sums it up nicely.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:06 PM
reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder

By that logic you are in essence telling everyone to give up?

If you can't beat them, join them?

I say learn how to defeat them by using their weight against them.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

Are You The Victim of An Agent Provocateur, On ATS?

[edit on 28-8-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:15 PM
I believe in freedom and truth. I dont believe in treating people like animals.

That alone gives me +1 on the good guy scale.

You may say its just another perspective, but thats just disregarding that one side makes people feel good, the other makes them feel bad. Do you want to do good or bad? Your choice.

[edit on 28-8-2009 by Copernicus]

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:16 PM
S+F You are a very wise man Mr Spooky Fox Moulder.

It is very true. You will get a lot of flack for this statement as you have a lot of revolutionaries on this board but one day or another they will realize it. If we revolt or fight against them....they win. Its what they want. Just go on living your lives until these people self destruct.

"Im not at peace right now because (enter anything you would like NWO, Govt, etc.)". Guess what, your ego is always looking for a battle. If you can't find peace right will continue your endless cycle of suffering. We create it ourselves. You dont agree with the war but you wish to wage one on other people because they have different beliefs than you?

If you can look inside yourself and stop blaming others for your unhappiness, you will find peace.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:26 PM
For someone who feels like they have been fighting for a very very long time. Personnaly I'm just tired of it. I also remember my mother telling me its not how loud you argue but how well you can reason.

Now I'm all about going against the evil and coruption that has seeped into this world, but somehow in the long run of things I dont see how getting the torches and loading the guns seem to be the right track. For one thing it would be a never ending battle..but what if thier was a way somehow to take away thier power or thier reason to fight?

And hey, if I do get trapped in a camp or jail, that dosent mean that I cant do just as much damage from the inside as well as the outside.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:29 PM
reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder

No, I want to be the worst person in the room. (And I always am, thank you, thank you ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much...) I always figure, my enemy must be doing something right, since I hate them and yet they are still I always try to figure out what those things are, and then copy/steal them and adapt them for myself...The most contemptible wretch may still have a useful skill that I don' does he do that???

You see, survival is a race to the bottom in this world, and I, as the nine-eyed-eel, find myself by nature at the very bottom of the ocean, along with the whale excrement...Ain't nothing lower than me, baby...

No, but more seriously, your point is obviously correct, but it only qualifies as a problem for persons who need to feel morally superior (we're the good guys) to their adversaries. I myself am in touch with my own evil, I am on my own side unconflictedly whether I am the good guy or not. (And plus, in the largest sense, we're all good guys, since, like Oprah says, "Everybody is just doing the best thing that they know how"...know what I mean?)

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:42 PM

This is what I had been alluding to in your other thread the other day about the NWO.

That is EXACTLY what they want, and people are not yet full awake to the manipulation.

Many preach an awakened state yet still remain in the same paradigm thats kept us in this mess, that is not being awakened, and we have to turn that around so we can avoid this mess.

You know this is an interesting Synchronicity for me personally, and maybe I knew this was coming. It might, sound cheesey to some people, but it's a lot like in the movie The Matrix when Neo says "You I can dodge bullets?" and Morpheus says "No Neo, when the time comes, you won't have to"... and that sums how up how I feel we win this. We won't even have to revolt or fight, if we can change our reality for ourselves to something better so they dont force us into something worse. The revolutionary mindset is like prodding a pack of caged animals into the corner right before they snap and fight back. Violence has never EVER EVER EVER EVER worked out for us in the end, EVER.

It's not about pascifism at all, it's about new levels of concious behaviour which has been seen on this planet, and is rarely given any light or real focus by the majority. That's exactly how they want. They want us to feel this way. The manipulation on this planet is so extreme and severe it almost IS unimaginable.

We heal the earth by giving mutual respect to each. Raising of our personal, planetary, and species frequency will drive away the REAL manipulators behind the Regressive NWO (WHICH ARE NOT HUMAN) That's how we win, avoid revolution and violence entirely, and overcome these challenges we're all faced. But its easier for people to take the weak way out just fight back, as we always have, then some day again we will be in the same situation again.

History repeats itself because its stuttering over an issue it hasn't addressed. We keep falling for the same tricks, over and over and over.

We have so much soul searching to do and I don't personally know if we have the window of time to accomplish it all, but I pray almost daily that we do. None of this has to happen, and the reeal pascifism is in throwing up your arms and saying that revolution is the only way, and fighting back is the only way. That's completely unconcious behaviour on so many levels that we must change and get control of so when the time comes... we won't have to fight at all.

Be In Peace.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Asmus
in the movie The Matrix when Neo says "You I can dodge bullets?" and Morpheus says "No Neo, when the time comes, you won't have to."

Yes. Precisely, my friend.


posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:50 PM
I don't fight people. I fight ideas.
Most people are just victims, they know not what they do.

And no, I won't become what I fight because I don't even identify myself with my own weapons (ideas). They are just tools for spreading truth and justice. If the tools aren't working I'll leave them behind and reach for the next tool.

I sacrifice everything, including my peace, for truth.
I'm sorry, but I detest complacency.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:52 PM
Pacifism is just as destructive as violence when there is no balance.

Moderation and common sense will do wonders if humans ever give them a try.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:56 PM
Not so sure I agree with this one.

If I 'fight' my cancer, I BECOME my cancer?
If I fight Apartheid, I BECOME apartheid?
If I fight a vaccination, I BECOME a vaccination?

Oh, I guess maybe this only applies to people...

If I fight an oppressive government I become one?
If I see someone beating their wife and I step in the middle, I become a wife beater?
If I see a dope dealer peddling smack to elementary school kids and I stop it, I'll become a dope peddler?

You can't win a war without violence. You can choose not to go, if you're lucky. But sometimes it comes looking for you. I suppose you can always assume a fetal position and hope for the best. Life may be just fine for you after that. Your keepers may take really good care of you.

discrimination, racism, manipulation, brutality, dividing, judging

These are nothing more than human behaviors. We all exhibit and practice them to varying degrees anyway...every day. We can't 'BECOME' those things, because we already ARE. It's just called 'humanity.'

Hmmm...perhaps if I see a cop beating your grandmother, or daughter, I should just allow it to happen. After all, it wouldn't do any good to intervene. It would just make me one of them, right?

Maybe we should all just hug?

Nobody WANTS to fight, unless they are psycho. Wanting to and being willing to, should not be confused for each other.

So, by fighting, maybe I can become human? Ok, sign me up.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:57 PM
reply to post by nine-eyed-eel

Oh I have no doubt that one of the largest problems is dealing with our duality nature. Heck thats one of the biggest problem for me! It used to frusterate me to no end when I always hear people say that "Only light should exist if you are to suceed in becoming a higher being." Somehow that always seem to rub off me the wrong way. I'm not fighting against that train of thought its just that something dosent seem right.

Thier are a lot of religions and philosipheys (sp?) out there that talks about our own light and darkness in ourselfs. One shouldn't negate the other. Being a "light being" I think means dont discount the darker side of you, just rise the other side that much more I guess. I always believed that if you are capable to maintain a great amount of hate, wouldnt you be able to maintain a great amount of love as well? Isnt' there a popular quote that states "thier is a thin line between love and hate?"

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 03:58 PM
reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder

Wise words, Spooky. I reckon all of us human beings are programmed for battle, I mean we have had a war for every generation since I can remember. I will go to my grave thinking we all live in a created, software based matrix reality where we are fed things we must and must not do. And, for the record, my enemy is not the ones you spoke of, but the ones who live in other dimensions that control them. A flag for you.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 04:03 PM
"The Bad Guys" are as they do. Actions alone speak. Forget the "speak louder than words" gross understatement. I agree that the high road of higher consciousness beats the low road of violence every time. Problem is, no one is, or clearly not enough are, willing to adopt the radical change of mindset required for REAL sociological change. What that primarily means is that virtually EVERYONE, including and especially most of those who merely CALL themselves something along the line of "progressive" or "revolutionary," has NO concept of TRULY rejecting secrecy-BASED government(s). This site is the biggest joke on the Internet, the farthest from TRULY denying ignorance there ever was. Filthy # like the very existence of the National "Security" STATE is NORMAL to them/you. So, as I see it, and I hope I'm wrong, we're f-ed, or eventually.

So please carry on with your Borg mantra: Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 05:18 PM
Uh huh,it seems nobody ever really thought about what the evil menaces they fight will be replaced with if they win "the fight".............

We need to take what we have,and improve on that,all the fighting and arguing just leads to more fighting and arguing.

We need to realise that we are all here,trying to do the same thing in the way we learned to do it.

Differences will always cause problems,they don't have to destroy the entire world.

When TSHTF,it will probably be people fighting in the streets with each other,about something silly like religion or skin color,or another excuse to burn and destroy someone or something,for no real good reason.

There is no justification for any of the rotten things that go on in this world.

Just live your life,we all have to die someday anyway.

[edit on 28-8-2009 by chiponbothshoulders]

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 05:20 PM
reply to post by Dean Goldberry
He who leads by example,walks alone in times like these.

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 06:08 PM
Reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder

"Beware ye who would battle monsters lest thereby you become one. For as you stare into the abyss so also stares into you." -Friedrick Nietzche I always loved that quote. It speaks of the human tendency to become that which he battles against. A well meaning man battling a tyrant will often become a tyrant himself. Rather like that Dark Knight quote: "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian."

Posted Via ATS Mobile:

posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 06:58 PM
Reply to post by KSPigpen

You never cure a disease by attacking the symptoms. The disease is within all of us. Societal problems are the fault of EVERY member of the society.

Posted Via ATS Mobile:

new topics

<<   2 >>

log in