Tennessee cops shoot 59 rounds to kill one man

Originally posted by groingrinder
In a situation like this several cops should be designated as the shooters. I would suggest the ones with the best range scores. The rest should hold off unless the designated shooters yell for help. There is certainly no need for every officer on the scene to empty multiple magazines in a case like this. I can understand that they all want a piece of the action so they can be big heroes though.

I've talked to older cops who tell me they have NEVER had to use their service weapons in the line of duty. A situation like this COULD make a person think that there were some who just wanted 'a piece of the action', or to feel what it was like to shoot a person.

I always thought that if my daughter, playing volleyball on a team, could say 'got it!' and hit the ball, thus making everyone else 'stay back'. why aren't cops capable of the same thing?

"Got it!!" Blam Blam Blam. Saved ammo, maintained professionalism, minimized 'overspray', avoided perceptions of mental illness...the list goes on.

And people ask why I hate cops so damn much.
Mofo's...

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by jkrog08

 

Threaten a cop with a weapon and you become swiss cheese.

Dead is dead. It doesn't matter if they died from 1 shot or 59.

You're wrong for two reasons.

First of all - if you have to shoot someone 59 times, then i don't think you should be a cop.

Secondly - The family of the offendor don't deserve to know that their loved one won't be having an open coffin.

I'll pipe in here, and say, it's absolutely absurd. This should have never happened.

Police are being militarized by the NWO, and will pay the price at some point for,"Just doing my job".

S&F

reply to post by mr-lizard


And your opinion about my opinion being wrong is wrong.

Doesn't bother me the littlest bit that this guy won't be having an open casket funeral.

Woohoo, way to prevent him from committing suicide! Now it's apparently, a homicide.

It only takes two and a half seconds to go through a magazine and hold all shots on target at roughly 25 meters.

Six cops, seven rounds each, and you can do the math.

One quick reload for a few, and another two and a half seconds, and you can see that things can happen very quickly.

The guy's family is lucky that these cops weren't using belt-fed weapons.

Besides, dead truly is dead.

In a shootout, dead is good.

Deader is better.

reply to post by celticdragon23


I dont think they were wrong to kill the man. All I contend is that 50 shots was much more than needed.. 10 should of easily done the job, if not 3 shots.

If a homeowner shoots a burglar more then 6 times they get roasted in court as using excessive force.

Yet the cops shoot someone 59 times and no problems.

Sometime i wonder.

reply to post by dooper


These were .45 caliber though. From personal experience shooting a .45 (I learned to shoot on one, essentially) I cannot empty a 7 round clip in 2.5 seconds and stay on target. If I tried to do that, the bullets would be all over the place.

reply to post by dooper



Like most, I don't like to knock the US unduly

but this case illustrates why US movies are regarded as such a joke by the rest of the world -- overkill, absurdity, gun-worship, melodrama, stupidity

and now it seems US law enforcement wish for life to imitate 'art'

59 rounds into a citizen ? Is that a news report from a sane society ?

It gets worse every day. Elderly folk and pregnant women being tasered

And not as if we haven't seen the You Tube expose of US cops repeatedly tasering attracive young women who're already disabled (from earlier tasers) and lying helpless on the ground. Tantamount to 'taser rape' by fat slugs in a uniform

The citizenry PAYS these thugs in uniform. The citizenry can also fire those thugs in uniform

Every time one of these insane incidents is reported in the whore media, the citizenry is being programmed to accept mindless brutality by what are public SERVANTS. It's the drip-drip technique.

The powers that be are nowhere near as powerful as is generally believed. They pretend they are all powerful, but underneath, they are rightfully scared of the masses.

I'm beginning to feel that a revolution is what it's going to take in order for the public to retake control.

At first, such a revolution might be piece-meal. But as more and more get aboard, those at the top with power to restore sanity, will come forth.

59 bullets into one prone body is a scene from hell. Those cops were having an orgasm and being paid to do it publicly. And they'll get away with it if allowed to do so. Then it will happen again, to someone else. It will become accepted and 'normal'.

reply to post by Miraj


Which would explain them reloading.

6 officers would have hit him about 8 times a piece. For them to be reloading they would have to be missing more then they were hitting.

edit to add-

emptying a police issue in that amount of time accuratley isn't that difficult. If you grew up shooting this type of weapon and cannot accurately do this then you might want to look into changing your grip.

[edit on 29-8-2009 by jd140]

Originally posted by celticdragon23

They tried to subdue him with a taser and it was inefective so it makes you wonder if he was on drugs or something.

Still though...

Usually I stick up for police, but on this occasion I dont think that number of shots was needed. One or two, maybe five or six even....but a whole magazine, and reloading.....im sorry but thats not very proffesional. I wonder if they got it on their dash cam? Either way, I hope the police conduct an internal investigation and do something about this

reply to post by Miraj


Yes, you could. You could even take that same .45 1911 and be hitting quarters thrown up into the air.

I have very large hands which help, but an all-steel 5-inch .45 is fairly heavy and easy enough to control.

Like all things, it takes practice.

Lying prone, you'll get many more hits than if the person was standing.

The reason is that even your shots that are a bit low will ricochet right into the meat.

reply to post by St Vaast

Here in Florida, we recently had a man who had killed a deputy, he was backed up in thick brush like a hog, and officers fired 110 rounds, hitting him 68 times.

When the Sheriff was asked why he was shot 68 times, he replied, "That was all the ammo we had."

My kind of guy.

reply to post by dooper


That was too true. I can understand.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Miraj

 

Yes, you could. You could even take that same .45 1911 and be hitting quarters thrown up into the air.

I have very large hands which help, but an all-steel 5-inch .45 is fairly heavy and easy enough to control.

Like all things, it takes practice.

Lying prone, you'll get many more hits than if the person was standing.

The reason is that even your shots that are a bit low will ricochet right into the meat.

Yeah, I bet I could do better. But I still don't think i could empty a clip in 3 seconds.
I might just be mis-calculating that due to the time it takes to set on target compared to a smaller caliber (usually only shot .22 and .45 hand guns. 9MM sometime too, but not used to that one).

I just wish that .45 rounds weren't so expensive, otherwise I could practice all day, like my dad and I did when I was younger.

reply to post by celticdragon23



They will be, and they were placed in administrative leave. Depending on policy means they are disarmed, badge taken away and cant enter the station without a supervisor escort.

Police officers have specific rights, in Calif for example "AB301" rights.. there is also Public Safety Officers Procedural Bill of Rights Act
Sections 3300-3313, Chapter 9.7, Division 4, Title 1, of the Government Code

www.seba.biz...

An example of exercising those rights:.. After a shooting incident if a supervisor "asks" what happened, an officer can refuse, "take the 5th". But, once "ordered" the officer must comply or face internal charges of insubordination / violation dept policy.

Any statement given under order is not admissible in court, so its a bit of cat & mouse game at first... officers 1st refuse to submit any statement, then are forced to do use under orders.

Then at some point, usually with a POA lawyer present, involved officers are read their rights per Miranda and interviewed.

Although the number of fired rounds is great for media / monday morning QB chatter, it's probably not a big deal in the big picture. Someone points a weapon at me and I'm in fear for my safety and the safety of others, I'll keep firing until the threat is stopped.. I'm not counting who on scene fires how many rounds.. in the heat of a life or death incident stopping the immediate threat is all I'm concerned about.

Each officer has their own unique POV, point the barrel of a deadly weapon in the direction of 10 cops and you'll get lit up by 10 cops, each one will respond as trained.

Witnesses agree that upon arrival the police used restraint following / talking, and tried non deadly force.. they followed escalation - de-escalation of force procedure affording the suspect ample time to give up.

Originally posted by celticdragon23
Cops are there to protect and serve, as long as they are doing their job who am i to question how they do it?

Our militarized police no longer serve and protect our people -- they serve and protect a criminal government. Their out-of-control behavior is a direct result of the drug war (dept. funding) mentality and the attitudes of the police brass. It's especially ironic that these people are putting our citizens in prison for using, possessing and trafficking drugs when the government itself is involved in *all* those activities (and much more).

And people actually wonder why gangs are actually "hunting" and killing police officers as part of their initiation rituals......

Meth is the biggest drug around here now and most cops loathe the meth dealers, Especially since there have been more than one meth fire that resulted in children's death.