Survival Skills PT. 2 - Camouflague, the art of invisibility & how and why it works, page 2
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reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 04:00 PM by chiponbothshoulders
reply to post by Asktheanimals
One thing that I do not think was covered well enough in your initial post,was the need to move as quietly as possible,it always compliments effective camo,and moving carelessly/noisily,will give you away no matter how invisible you are.

Check yourself for snags and rattles,prerun you path without your gear,determine your path,go get your gear,move slowly on terrain you already know.

You must also be able to hear others moving nearby over the noise you make,the quieter,the better.

Look ahead,think ahead,move as slow as you can.

I have been in a situation in the past,where a dog came up and took a sniff,then walked away....SCARY fun!.

If you camo yourself to look similar to a tree,you better move like one too,one really slow step,really slowly look around,then another really slow step,you can move through open terrain this way at night with a little luck,out here in civvieland it's too easy,even in daylight.

Down here in the scrub of florida,it is nearly impossible to move quietly without going really really really slow btw.

Anyway......


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 04:11 PM by chiponbothshoulders
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones
That's funny you should mention urban camo,my brother and I were getting drunk one night,and we decided to make a "garbage ghillie suit",we figured one could just lay in the gutter and go un-noticed by passers by.

We also considered cutting a milk jug or foam float to put on your head to look like a crab trap out in the water.....fun.

Never used it,got a laugh,threw it away later...it was just junk anyway...

Funny how people don't see things,they assume to see what they look at.

An idea to consider though.



reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 07:40 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by Asktheanimals


Excellent thread S&F! You have provided a lot of useful information. As one poster pointed out, movement is a dead giveaway. Staying still is very important. When I have been hunting, you will be looking at an animal in some brush but may not actually see it until it moves an ear or tail. Same goes for people, if you stay still you increase your odds tremendously.

If i see something suspicious, I will stop and look at it for a few minutes, waiting to see if what i'm looking at moves. If it doesnt move after 5 minutes, most people will move on.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 10:28 PM by pteridine
reply to post by ChrisF231


That probably has to do with the blind spot on your retina. For better night vision, look in a slightly different direction by 5 degrees or so. Maybe the OP or one of our resident ground pounders can answer you better.



reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 10:55 PM by Asktheanimals
Originally posted by iamcamouflage
reply to post by Asktheanimals

As one poster pointed out, movement is a dead giveaway. Staying still is very important. When I have been hunting, you will be looking at an animal in some brush but may not actually see it until it moves an ear or tail. Same goes for people, if you stay still you increase your odds tremendously.


thanks for the kind words camo. You make a really good point about spotting and that is that people will probably only see a part of you, the same as you see the animals. The difference is, will you pick him out before he picks you? Silence is a virtue especially in the woods.

Originally posted by Frogs
Any other tips on movement?


If your thighs were burning you may have been doing something right, like crouching and keeping your head BELOW the level of the surrounding brush and looking THROUGH it instead of over or around it? Tune in to your surroundings, hear the brids, bugs ,wind, they will tell you alot about whats going on.

If youre moving and theyre not shutting up or fussing because of you you're doing good. Learn to creep through brush wihtout the branches slapping back and making noise. Find the openings for you feet, legs and body and slither on through.
Be the deer! Pick your feet up high enough that they do';t catch on things. When stalking you may get stuck in very odd positions (like standing on one leg or crawling through an ant mound and you can't move or you will be spotted). Work your way upwind even on human opponents, use the terrain and vegetation to block their view of you as you work closer. Oh, and patience, patience, patience.


Originally posted by ReelView
Not sure I have much faith in camouflage in the days of thermal imaging. I would be more interested to know what you recommend to avoid or misdirect thermal imaging or the like.


I'm unsure of what sensory capabilities are available to military and police these days. Back in the 90's we could evade IR with a space blanket but I think those days are long gone. Someone with current military experience should handle that one. It scares me too btw!

Originally posted by ChrisF231
I have been told that one should not look directly at an suspicious object but instead a little to the left or right for better/clearer vision. Is this true?


yes, it is a good way to pick up movement, even if it's very slight. It is also a better way to view an object in low light since the eye lacks rods in the middle of the fovea. You literally have a "blind spot" in the middle of your eye.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 11:32 PM by Asktheanimals
reply to post by viperdave


Thanks. You absolutely have an advantage. My oldest son is colorblind and he has the same ability. Let someone else pick your camo colors but beyond that you'll have the best eyes out there!


reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 12:56 AM by Ex_MislTech
Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by Asktheanimals
star and flag! Great post!
I do have a question. What would you suggest for someone who is bowhunting on the ground?
#1. I don't like heights.
#2. I weigh to damn much to sit in a tree.

I'm not a trophy hunter. I'm interested in meat for the table. And if it comes to a case where TSHTF, I'd rather save my ammunition if possible.
In the distant past, we just bought whatever was on the rack, but patterns, knowledge, and times have changed.
Thanks for the thread.



The one that is suppose to work the bet is the scent blocker camo
suits that are geared toward a fall time of year look, the most common
reason for a deer to run is he heard you or smelled you.

Scent blocker camo is a bit pricey.

Ppl get up in the trees because deer do not look up much,
and the tactic works well.

I have seen 400 lb. men up in trees, but they get a more advanced
method of getting up there, and they de-scent all their gear.

If anything you carry in has human smell on it, the deer will likely
smell it.

Always approach a likely deer spot down wind and do your best not
to make a lot of noise.

A deers eyesight of color is actually not that good, they do see
movement very well, this article describes it.

Deer see movement

Some ppl setup at a spot hours before daybreak because deer are
most active near dawn and dusk.

Some of the older bigger bucks even go nocturnal, even thou I think
it is illegal some ppl use nightvision to hunt these.

To get an idea of what the deer are like in your area, put out a elevated
feeder can and setup a motion activated camera nearby, and you
will get to see what deer come to eat.

A lot of ppl use this method to sell hunting leases around the US.



[edit on 29-8-2009 by Ex_MislTech]


reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 01:19 AM by FocusedWolf
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by kettlebellysmith


Well unless you are hunting turkey remember that nearly all
mammals are colorblind. so the shades of color aren't as important
as the value or lightness/darkness of it. The pattern shouldnt look too wild or busy. Also use that special wash that doesnt bleach your clothes or whiten them. Scentlok materials and shoes really are great for deer hunting I can testify to that. Whatever has quiet material is also helpful, some materials are just noisy when going through brush. If you can wear sneakers rather than boots you can walk much more quietly. Good luck with the hunting!


My dad came across some info... trying to confirm it... but anyways besides seeing in color, turkeys see ultraviolet... sort of like deer more or less... so now when we go turkey hunting, we also spray our close with UV killer. Seen many turkeys up close in the woods... like 10 ft and they didn't see us so... o ya important camoflauge tip... don't move around!!! works in video games and works in reallife... human/animal vision will easily spot a moving target. You can easily hide in plain sight if you keep your motions to a dumbed down minimum. For example... even with a turkey about 10ft away... i was still able to do all kinds of things... like get my shotgun on a shooting stick... get comfortable... if you do it slow enough, you can probably crawl to 4 inches of that bird lol.


reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 03:08 AM by semperfortis
reply to post by ANNED


One thing to remember about any ambush...

If it goes wrong, where is your escape route?

That is why you never see any "real" Snipers in trees...

Military Murphy's Law...

"No well thought out plan ever survives initial contact"

Semper



reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 05:47 PM by gambon
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by Frogs


"It's all about walking on the the front of your feet instead of the usual flatfooting most people do when walking. I like to think of it was woodland ballet. "

Not wishing to say this is wrong...but, try this method ,when walking through woods etc try landing your feet on their outside edges then "rolling" them inwards ,when on the outside edges use your feet if necessary to move any underbrush/sticks before rolling them inward ,I have found this is the quietest way of moving and is the way taught as the quietest.

IT also makes you more aware of what is underfoot b4 placing the feet with full weight
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