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Originally posted by AceOfAces
One question...WHY?
WHY would he ever have to do that? The internet is not government run. The government uses the interenet sure but they dont control it. I refuse to allow an Iran-like scenario or China-like shield go on. The internet is now our main source for not only news but communication across the globe. We cannot allow them to ever shut it down, if ever for a moment even.
What's scary is- why even have this power? When would this be used...in say Martial Law? The only cause I see for this is in the event of martial law- they dont want people organzing, gathering info, or communcating. Which leads me to my next point- how far will this go? Will they include phones in this as well?
It's quite ridiculous. However...Iphones and phones that use wireless networks are based off of cell phone towers rather than standard lines or dsl connections. So theres a chance that they wouldn't be affected...I believe thats what happened in iran, is it not?
Originally posted by j2000
reply to post by threekings
All I want to know is "Why does he need this power?" What good could come of it? What bad things could happen if it's not checked?
Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by shanerz
So, you wouldn't want cyber security to protect our country?
I may be a conspiracy buff. I also believe in a shadow government, and I do believe that parts of our government are corrupt, but that doesn't make me not a patriot.
I love the United States, and we need to protect it.
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by deadbang
Yes, that is exactly what I meant. "The Internet" would still function, whether AT&T and Verizon were shut down or not.
Granted, consumers in the US and people trying to access US hosted websites might have a hard time surfing for porn or the latest conspiracy, but the rest of the world would carry on quite merrily, so in effect "the internet" couldn't be shut down, taken control of or otherwise interferred with unless every carrier in every country was under the jackboot.
I too work in SDH/SONET for a telco in the UK, so I am somewhat familier with the workings of such.
EDIT: I realise that the US has control of the mythical "root DNS servers", but it would be no technological feat to have these up and running in another country in short order.
Also, some countries may regard any attempt at shutting down "the internet" as an Act of War.
[edit on 28/8/09 by stumason]
Originally posted by Mak Manto
So, like you said, if Facility A in New York needs information from Facility B in Los Angeles, the only way we should ship the information is externally, not on a computer?
Originally posted by Mak Manto
No, they're not. That's right-wing propaganda.
Originally posted by shanerz
Originally posted by Mak Manto
No, they're not. That's right-wing propaganda.
LOL. Right wing propaganda pushing a bi-partisan bill through. A bill that further makes decisions for you. If that aint telling enough.... A bill A-okay'd by mass-wealth-accumulating mega-corporations. They sure as hell aint helpin' their competition.
Right wing: Deregulation of mortgage and other loan issuing.
Left wing: Economy is screwed if we don't bail out big fail louts.
Banksters: I'm rich, b****!!
Masses: Were SAVED!!! YAY!
Minority: There goes the half-ass prices of well... everything.
You may want to point fingers at 'Bush' for the patriot act, but 'Obama' aint doin a thing to get it (what did he say? Something about it being totally unamerican) scrapped - like he said he would. You may blame the 'right' for instigating the war in the ME, but the 'left' sure seems to be enjoying it's ability to keep troops over there - even after saying they are coming home.
There is no this party, that party. They are both sellouts. They are both working in big business' interest, thus their wallet's interest. They are both working to reduce citizen's freedoms. And they get away with it by making tools blame eachother for what their rulers do to them.
Middle America is a ghetto, just one that is "safe."
Originally posted by Mak Manto
Originally posted by shanerz
Originally posted by Mak Manto
No, they're not. That's right-wing propaganda.
LOL. Right wing propaganda pushing a bi-partisan bill through. A bill that further makes decisions for you. If that aint telling enough.... A bill A-okay'd by mass-wealth-accumulating mega-corporations. They sure as hell aint helpin' their competition.
Right wing: Deregulation of mortgage and other loan issuing.
Left wing: Economy is screwed if we don't bail out big fail louts.
Banksters: I'm rich, b****!!
Masses: Were SAVED!!! YAY!
Minority: There goes the half-ass prices of well... everything.
You may want to point fingers at 'Bush' for the patriot act, but 'Obama' aint doin a thing to get it (what did he say? Something about it being totally unamerican) scrapped - like he said he would. You may blame the 'right' for instigating the war in the ME, but the 'left' sure seems to be enjoying it's ability to keep troops over there - even after saying they are coming home.
There is no this party, that party. They are both sellouts. They are both working in big business' interest, thus their wallet's interest. They are both working to reduce citizen's freedoms. And they get away with it by making tools blame eachother for what their rulers do to them.
Middle America is a ghetto, just one that is "safe."
Hah, you never listen to the full story...
I've had it up to here with this whole attitude on ATS that's "There are no parties! We need to revolt!"
That's a defeatist's attitude. That there are no differences, and that whoever is in control, no changes will come.
First off, Obama never said he would crap the Patriot Act. He actually voted in favor of the 2006 version of the Patriot Act. He voted AGAINST the additional parts for it.
As for the war, we need to go back to the original war: Afghanistan. We need to find, and bring to justice, Osama Bin Laden.
Iraq was a MESS that the Right instigated on no other part then pure and simple GREED.
Originally posted by Mak Manto
Hah, you never listen to the full story...
I've had it up to here with this whole attitude on ATS that's "There are no parties! We need to revolt!"
That's a defeatist's attitude. That there are no differences, and that whoever is in control, no changes will come.
First off, Obama never said he would crap the Patriot Act. He actually voted in favor of the 2006 version of the Patriot Act. He voted AGAINST the additional parts for it.
Iraq was a MESS that the Right instigated on no other part then pure and simple GREED.
As for the war, we need to go back to the original war: Afghanistan. We need to find, and bring to justice, Osama Bin Laden.
Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by shanerz
And if you remember... He voted against the war.