Originally posted by Mak Manto
Hah, you never listen to the full story...
I've had it up to here with this whole attitude on ATS that's "There are no parties! We need to revolt!"
Then what do you propose as a quick fix to get my gov back to, "of the people, by the people, for the people"?
That's a defeatist's attitude. That there are no differences, and that whoever is in control, no changes will come.
Well, look at health care. You have big pharma propagandizing the 'right' to get the public option out. The option that was supposed to help
people who are in desperate need. Hear the talk of the 'left', of late? Corporatocracy. Greed.
First off, Obama never said he would crap the Patriot Act. He actually voted in favor of the 2006 version of the Patriot Act. He voted AGAINST the
additional parts for it.
Oh, yes... he voted against the executive orders, not really part of the act. The 2006 revision, though, along with the 2004 revision, reenabled the
wiretapping clauses that were to sunset in 2005. But, yes he moved against many executive orders, such as conflicts with habeus corpus, or so he
says. Yet, they still passed, and he hasn't used his newly-obtained celeb status to revoke them... That seems telling to me.
Most of the modified content is an increase in time period for surveilling many facets of terrorism, as defined by the patriot act. Most every
provision, dealing with information surveillance, was set to expire.
One part was to reduce the time frame FBI could withold information from a suspect of warranted search and seizure of papers, computers, etc. (The
time frame the search and seizure didn't have to be reported to a suspect)(most of these items of seizure had been increased.)
It also set higher penalties for crimes such as train, plane, port sabotage; as well as other types of domestic terror acts.
Passage of Iraq War Resolution]
Iraq was a MESS that the Right instigated on no other part then pure and simple GREED.
Though, I agree it was instigated on greed, and highly through a false-flag incident, at that. That still does not change the fact that 70% of
congress gave the ok. (39% D-HR, 58% D-Senate - said gogo).
Sure, a lot of the 'right' was in on it. It's clear as day the higher ups were in on it, but I wouldn't say they did it out of any real political
stance. They did it for their corporation's profit margin. Greed, like you said, even at the cost of the economy. And the left, obviously, didn't
As for the war, we need to go back to the original war: Afghanistan. We need to find, and bring to justice, Osama Bin Laden.
Exactly, look at invasion of Afghanistan, then look at where we are today.
The left, to this day, are following the tenets of the Wolfowitz doctrine. Neglicted by Clinton, then basically reinstated with Bush - as the Bush
doctrine - in 2000. Preemptive invasion, of any nation, to protect the safety of the US is part of this doctrine. I thought it was illegal for the
US to declare war... hmm.
Also, Osama was seen by CIA, while he was top ten FBI, on a hospital bed.
Bin Laden is a farce. He is just a face you can hate - created, officially, by those you hate, the 'right'. Yet his spectre lives on as the
current enemy of our nation, by your words.
I doubt he's even alive.
I agree that, oh you know, wars the people are constantly getting sick of are started by the 'right'. Honestly, though, where is the 'left' when
we go? Why are we still there when we have massive movements on the streets? Why aren't people still protesting war (Afghan), en masse?
Did they finally just realize their voice isn't heard in this country? Mass coverage = mass protest. Mass protest = mass ignore button. Mass
ignore = mass sleep. Mass sleep = mass reap.
Defeatist, I guess. I'm still trying to figure out what I can do. Preaching is all I can come up with, sorry.
[edit on 2-9-2009 by shanerz]