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reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 02:21 PM by quackers
Originally posted by deadbang
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I disagree, having control over a networks such as AT&T & Verizon (both US based), which not only span the U.S. but just about every country of consequence would seriously change the landscape of what is generally termed the "internet".

Would it kill it?..as discussed with Stu...NO, but it would change it at a fundamental level. With the gang of 13 (DNS root servers) and most major routing tables based in the US...alot would go away, and what was left would be klugy.



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You disagree based on the assumption that this proposal gives the government the power to take over entire isp infrastructure, when that is not what the proposal proposes. It proposes that companies who manage critical systems work with the gov so that should the need arise the gov could manage those systems.

Clarification needs to be made on what exactly "critical" is. As far as I'm concerned "critical" would mean power, water and any other system not directly controlled by the government but which is paramount to the day to day operation of the country. I might also add that the internet is world wide, so whatever the US puts in place has no practical bearing on the rest of the world. So no, they cannot control the internet, at least not on their own.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 03:24 PM by deadbang
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With AT&T being the largest physical network in the world, I would say it fits the definition of critical. Most ISPs are just bandwidth brokers, they ride some telecommunications giants backbone.

And while you are correct that not ALL of the internet stems from the U.S., enough of it ie...DNS, routing, etc...originates or passes through that without the U.S. infrastructure the internet would not be the same.

Could a workaround be implemented to bubblegum and bailing wire it back together?..sure, but like I said before, it would be kludgey.


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reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 04:32 PM by quackers
Originally posted by deadbang
reply to post by quackers

With AT&T being the largest physical network in the world, I would say it fits the definition of critical. Most ISPs are just bandwidth brokers, they ride some telecommunications giants backbone.

And while you are correct that not ALL of the internet stems from the U.S., enough of it ie...DNS, routing, etc...originates or passes through that without the U.S. infrastructure the internet would not be the same.

Could a workaround be implemented to bubblegum and bailing wire it back together?..sure, but like I said before, it would be kludgey.


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There are over 120 root dns servers throughout the world, most of them located outside of the United States, so if Obama manages to gain his control freakery, his power only extends as far as the US border (give or take). Sure it would have a knock on effect on the wider internet, but it would carry on. Obama cannot control the internet, he really does not have that much juice. He might be able to control US access to the internet, that is hardly the same thing as being in control of the internet. And we have yet to establish that controlling the internet is the aim, that part is merely speculation. The internet is not reliant on the United States.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 04:44 PM by TroyB
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Unless the President wants to look out at the whitehouse lawn fulla people pointing pringles can antennas at his office tryin to grab a signal...be better NOT even think about it!

Somehow...I envision the old days of DIALUP BBS's commin back into play!....Ughh maybe I shouldda kept my license with Wildcat! up to date!!


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 05:03 PM by Spock Shock
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I work for VBTS, the business side of verizon's network support, our CO has more control over the internet then most companys ( as they are 3rd party's of verizons actual service). If someone was to try and take down our internet, even the president, i can't see why we wouldn't certainly transfer the DNS numbers and alt's to an offshore location as our clients are number 1, and they lose out millions per minute... our office handles accounts such as microsoft, oil companys and you name it... we did have the whitehouse but thats off limits now that verizon put a ban on handling accounts from out of continental boundries a few months back... you can just see the impact that would make on everyday BAU sales and handling of customer relations...

I can't see the internet dissappearing for more then a few days if that...
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