Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

Originally posted by deadbang
reply to post by quackers

 

I disagree, having control over a networks such as AT&T & Verizon (both US based), which not only span the U.S. but just about every country of consequence would seriously change the landscape of what is generally termed the "internet".

Would it kill it?..as discussed with Stu...NO, but it would change it at a fundamental level. With the gang of 13 (DNS root servers) and most major routing tables based in the US...alot would go away, and what was left would be klugy.



[edit on 28-8-2009 by deadbang]

You disagree based on the assumption that this proposal gives the government the power to take over entire isp infrastructure, when that is not what the proposal proposes. It proposes that companies who manage critical systems work with the gov so that should the need arise the gov could manage those systems.

Clarification needs to be made on what exactly "critical" is. As far as I'm concerned "critical" would mean power, water and any other system not directly controlled by the government but which is paramount to the day to day operation of the country. I might also add that the internet is world wide, so whatever the US puts in place has no practical bearing on the rest of the world. So no, they cannot control the internet, at least not on their own.

Since the rest of the world would still be online when we were shut down
will they have to shut down cell phones so we don't get any kind of info.

There is one way to shut down the Internet. NO ELECTRICITY Shut down the power grid. Almost everything we do in this modern world requires electricity.

Welcome to the beginning roots to American Communism. Once we take that road towards socialism, we are all damaged utterly and completely. Someone said, "I do not see the connection between Obama and Hitler". I told that poster that Obama's version of Germany is in progress. You layout the first pieces here and there, and then you pull it altogether into a package. Its just a matter of getting the right bills and laws passed, and then we are all damned by this administration. Its happening in real time.

We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism
to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders
in giving Americans small doses of socialism
until they suddenly awake to find they have communism.

Soviet dictator Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism.
But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every
fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America
will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Socialist Norman Thomas

What a bunch of sick control freaks we have in Government. I'm talking about the whole lot of them. I think each and every single one of these pieces of junk grew up with self esteem issues. Humans have been managing themselves since the beginning, and there are always power control fanatics wanting to take hold of the horse reins. I would like for there to be no laws in this country for a week, and have those punks walk the street of real life and feed my Aries rising!

Interesting to see who wrote this bill! Tells me all I need to know.

Nice post Warren..I just heard of this on radio. Another step of unwarrented control for the puppet in charge.

reply to post by quackers

With AT&T being the largest physical network in the world, I would say it fits the definition of critical. Most ISPs are just bandwidth brokers, they ride some telecommunications giants backbone.

And while you are correct that not ALL of the internet stems from the U.S., enough of it ie...DNS, routing, etc...originates or passes through that without the U.S. infrastructure the internet would not be the same.

Could a workaround be implemented to bubblegum and bailing wire it back together?..sure, but like I said before, it would be kludgey.


[edit on 28-8-2009 by deadbang]

I hate to say it but this is why I'm a pirate. This is why I have masses of e-books, information and other things that have taught me everything I know. If the net was taken down I would personally rally friends and others together and would establish a LAN or server and setup a wireless network with the proper transmitters, repeaters etc and hopefully finding useful equipment for such to share the information we all need. Even if I couldn't access other servers and out of country websites, groups could still share information and I would be part of that.

Collect what you can. Keep it, even encrypt it for later use and when the time comes, if this happens, you can add it to the database of info to share across OUR OWN INTERNET! I always felt a need to keep the good stuff I found. This reminds me of V for Vendetta and 1984. I think someday in the future such information that is readily accessible now will be illegal, valuable and even worth dying for. Hell even the Anarchists Cookbook is illegal in the U.K. according to my knowledge and charges have been pressed just for having it. Information and knowledge are the real goods.




[edit on 28-8-2009 by N3krostatic]

Originally posted by Muundoggie
We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism
to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders
in giving Americans small doses of socialism
until they suddenly awake to find they have communism.

Soviet dictator Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism.
But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every
fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America
will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Socialist Norman Thomas

Ah! Someone who understands. Instead of selling 'Coke-a-Cola' to the public, they repackaged it as 'Pepsi' to be more likable. Even though they have two different names, they are still the same type of products.

Secret Service (Germany) = National Civilian Security Force (Obama's USA).

Socialism (Germany) = Civilian/Corporate Responsibility (Obama's USA)

Obama's philosophy is regulate everything for the betterment of man; however, the price is the loss of freedom to the larger groups.

[edit on 28-8-2009 by Pathos]

Could've seen this coming, tbh.

It goes hand in hand with this list of FEMA executive orders.

www.sweetliberty.org...

You thought FEMA was bad before...

Not sure if anyone brought this up yet, but if you want an example of how the media is currently controlled, go to foxnews.com and you will see this story being run above the fold. Go to cnn.com and you find it.... hmmm.. I don't know, because I COULDN'T find it. You see, it's not always how it's reported, folks, but whether it's even reported at all. Liberal-controlled media outlets omit or bury the things they don't want you to know about because it harms their agenda. It's in front of your eyes, simple as that. Censorship by omission.

The internet can not fall to government censorship, for ANY reason, especially emergencies. Cyber attacks can be isolated without killing the mains for pete's sake.

What in the world would you have to take control over the entire internet for? And why would it be the President that has this authority? I don't get this, it sounds alot like they are telling us that they are shutting it down whenever they want to. They can call anything an emergency and say it was warranted. I'm just wondering why?

Well i believe they can do that and even worst than that.I believe they can display a emergency message over the internet on every computer screen that is turned on.Does not matter if your in a web site or just on your screen saver.If your connected to the net you will get the emergency message.If they can do this they may be able to also send a type of mind control message or image to hipmotise anyone looking at there computer monitor.They could take control of the minds of hundreads of millions of people within seconds.How that for a pre-alien invasion technique.

It's 1939 Germany happening all over again.
Dangitall ... wake the hell up America!

Now the question is ... can this express train to hell be stopped or is it too late?

Originally posted by deadbang
reply to post by quackers

 

With AT&T being the largest physical network in the world, I would say it fits the definition of critical. Most ISPs are just bandwidth brokers, they ride some telecommunications giants backbone.

And while you are correct that not ALL of the internet stems from the U.S., enough of it ie...DNS, routing, etc...originates or passes through that without the U.S. infrastructure the internet would not be the same.

Could a workaround be implemented to bubblegum and bailing wire it back together?..sure, but like I said before, it would be kludgey.


[edit on 28-8-2009 by deadbang]

There are over 120 root dns servers throughout the world, most of them located outside of the United States, so if Obama manages to gain his control freakery, his power only extends as far as the US border (give or take). Sure it would have a knock on effect on the wider internet, but it would carry on. Obama cannot control the internet, he really does not have that much juice. He might be able to control US access to the internet, that is hardly the same thing as being in control of the internet. And we have yet to establish that controlling the internet is the aim, that part is merely speculation. The internet is not reliant on the United States.

reply to post by warrenb


Unless the President wants to look out at the whitehouse lawn fulla people pointing pringles can antennas at his office tryin to grab a signal...be better NOT even think about it!

Somehow...I envision the old days of DIALUP BBS's commin back into play!....Ughh maybe I shouldda kept my license with Wildcat! up to date!!

He can "think" he can control the internet, but it wouldn't be 20 minutes before proxy's and other ways for people to get online.

Not to mention the mass chaos that would happen if nobody could get their internet or use their iPhones, and every other fancy smancy electronic device that requires a way to connect to the internet or phones or whatnot.

I still think Obama is in way over his head he and his cronies have no clue what they are going up against, he can wish and want these things, but the fact is every day people are getting closer to just saying screw it and telling them where to shove their laws.

All it would take is spark and this country would be burning.

They've had their eyes on the completely controlling internet communications since the inception of the internet. It's the last medium that isn't entirely under their authority, and therefore a major threat to their authority. Make no mistake, they will eventually implement the type of regulations they are seeking.

What can be done now is to educate yourself about telecommunications. Learn everything there is to know about how internet communication works, learn to build your own networks, and teach others how to do the same.

There may come a day when even doing the above will be illegal, but it will be ridiculously difficult for them to stop us if everyone is doing it.


TA

reply to post by deadbang


I work for VBTS, the business side of verizon's network support, our CO has more control over the internet then most companys ( as they are 3rd party's of verizons actual service). If someone was to try and take down our internet, even the president, i can't see why we wouldn't certainly transfer the DNS numbers and alt's to an offshore location as our clients are number 1, and they lose out millions per minute... our office handles accounts such as microsoft, oil companys and you name it... we did have the whitehouse but thats off limits now that verizon put a ban on handling accounts from out of continental boundries a few months back... you can just see the impact that would make on everyday BAU sales and handling of customer relations...

I can't see the internet dissappearing for more then a few days if that...