Bill would give president emergency control of Internet, page 1


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Topic started on 28-8-2009 @ 10:33 AM by warrenb
Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft (
excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.


When Rockefeller, the chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) introduced the original bill in April, they claimed it was vital to protect national cybersecurity. "We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs--from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records," Rockefeller said.

The Rockefeller proposal plays out against a broader concern in Washington, D.C., about the government's role in cybersecurity. In May, President Obama acknowledged that the government is "not as prepared" as it should be to respond to disruptions and announced that a new cybersecurity coordinator position would be created inside the White House staff. Three months later, that post remains empty, one top cybersecurity aide has quit, and some wags have begun to wonder why a government that receives failing marks on cybersecurity should be trusted to instruct the private sector what to do.

Rockefeller's revised legislation seeks to reshuffle the way the federal government addresses the topic. It requires a "cybersecurity workforce plan" from every federal agency, a "dashboard" pilot project, measurements of hiring effectiveness, and the implementation of a "comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy" in six months--even though its mandatory legal review will take a year to complete.

The privacy implications of sweeping changes implemented before the legal review is finished worry Lee Tien, a senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "As soon as you're saying that the federal government is going to be exercising this kind of power over private networks, it's going to be a really big issue," he says.

Probably the most controversial language begins in Section 201, which permits the president to "direct the national response to the cyber threat" if necessary for "the national defense and security." The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government. ("Cyber" is defined as anything having to do with the Internet, telecommunications, computers, or computer networks.)

news.cnet.com...

The Rockefeller again!
WTH!?
So in the event of an emergency (flu anyone?) the web will be controlled.
They can block sites, deny access, monitor everything...



Read the excerpt of the bill here
www.politechbot.com...

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reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 11:23 AM by stumason
reply to post by deadbang



Yes, that is exactly what I meant. "The Internet" would still function, whether AT&T and Verizon were shut down or not.

Granted, consumers in the US and people trying to access US hosted websites might have a hard time surfing for porn or the latest conspiracy, but the rest of the world would carry on quite merrily, so in effect "the internet" couldn't be shut down, taken control of or otherwise interferred with unless every carrier in every country was under the jackboot.

I too work in SDH/SONET for a telco in the UK, so I am somewhat familier with the workings of such.

EDIT: I realise that the US has control of the mythical "root DNS servers", but it would be no technological feat to have these up and running in another country in short order.

Also, some countries may regard any attempt at shutting down "the internet" as an Act of War.

[edit on 28/8/09 by stumason]


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 11:38 AM by deadbang
reply to post by stumason


Point taken, were in agreement...and most big carriers use BGP in their core routing so there would be multiple routes to destination servers, as long as they were not US based they would still be accessible, although response times would be diminished.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 11:41 AM by stumason
reply to post by deadbang



Indeed

I'd hate to think the Prez would ever act on this, it would make my job a royal pain in the arse if we lost all connectivity to the US! I might actually have to do some work instead of surfing the web on ATS all day...


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 12:16 PM by stumason
reply to post by RRconservative



Hmm, not trying to politicise the thread at all down your part lines...

This bill was proposed by a Democrat AND a Republican Senator... Seems that taking the oh so familiar partisan line that you do isn't going to work on this one. I know it must be difficult for you to swallow that a black, democrat is the President, but the people voted him in, live with it.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 12:23 PM by deadbang
reply to post by quackers


I disagree, having control over a networks such as AT&T & Verizon (both US based), which not only span the U.S. but just about every country of consequence would seriously change the landscape of what is generally termed the "internet".

Would it kill it?..as discussed with Stu...NO, but it would change it at a fundamental level. With the gang of 13 (DNS root servers) and most major routing tables based in the US...alot would go away, and what was left would be klugy.



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reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 12:28 PM by RRconservative
Originally posted by stumason
reply to
post by RRconservative



Hmm, not trying to politicise the thread at all down your part lines...

This bill was proposed by a Democrat AND a Republican Senator... Seems that taking the oh so familiar partisan line that you do isn't going to work on this one. I know it must be difficult for you to swallow that a black, democrat is the President, but the people voted him in, live with it.


Olympia Snowe may call herself a Republican, but so did Arlen Spector at one time. Snowe votes with Democrats more than Republicans so this is nothing special.

Ah the old "if you disagree with Obama, you must be a racist" That crap won him the election, but it won't get him re-elected. His actions as President will prevent that.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 12:34 PM by stumason
reply to post by dgtempe



Cellphones, land phones, beepers, WiFi, you name all gets carried over the same backbone networks. The "internet" is really just a set of protocols for a certain type of traffic. Shutting down the carriers, such as AT&T and Verizon, would cripple all communications. It would be very hard and time consuming to selectively shut off certain services.

Deadbang, AT&T and the like do have presence in other countries but (at least in the UK) they tend to be international carriers, not really dealing in the lower order stuff within the country.

The telco I work for is one the largest Global carriers and is a UK based company, so there would be bandwidth available even if the US carriers went offline.

Granted though, it would be a big kick in the nuts and would hamper traffic of all types for some time before workarounds were in place.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 01:00 PM by centurion1211
Originally posted by stumason
reply to
post by RRconservative



Hmm, not trying to politicise the thread at all down your part lines...

This bill was proposed by a Democrat AND a Republican Senator... Seems that taking the oh so familiar partisan line that you do isn't going to work on this one. I know it must be difficult for you to swallow that a black, democrat is the President, but the people voted him in, live with it.


Yawn.

The "you must be a racist if you disagree with obama" line again.

So, to deal with that once and for all, here's a public notice from me:

Since obama is 50% white, all future criticism by me of anything obama does will be solely directed towards the 50% of obama that is white.

That should take care of that ...



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