Haunebu, the Nazi Bell - Rare Pictures from forgotten Cases

Originally posted by azzllin
The reports of UFO'S and the Nazi's are fine to be linked with modern sightings, Ill even allow for as early as the mid 1930s, but what about reports before then?

I think that the Nazi UFOs are real, but they are not the only ones flying through our airspace. One thing doesn't rule out the other. There are rumours that there is an Pleyadian/Aldebaran connection.

[edit on 16-9-2009 by Erich Kemper]

Of course there are no aliens visiting us (IMHO). It's just secret military aircraft.

I only wonder whether the Roswell UFO crash was a Nazi craft that accidentaly crashed or in fact an US-controlled craft they were testing... Both are pretty scary.

The first would mean that there IS OR WAS a secret Nazi base or even whole empire (see Operation Highjump).

The second would mean that the US have become very similar to the Nazi Germany. Only the roles changed.

One advantage of being quite old is remembering when claims of UFO sightings – and UFO photos – turned out to be hoaxes. I suspect that Haunebu, who started this thread, is not so old, and that the authors of the ‘UFO Photoboek’, who he relies on, cared more about sales than proof.
The two UK cases referred to – Stephen Darbishire and Cedric Allingham – are classic hoaxes, long since explained. Try Google to find out more. And in ‘Saucer Smear’ the editor, lifelong ufologist/trickster Jim Moseley quotes from a list of hoaxes published by the International UFO Museum at Roswell,

“best of all, the Lost Creek, West Virginia motion picture (1966). Most of the descriptions are all too short, but this one reads in part: "UFO hovers over tree. Gray Barker filmed, while James Moseley drove the car and John Sheets suspended a fake model from a stick". Ah, those were the days!”

A bit of digging around will probably suggest that all the ‘Adamski’ style UFO photos are unreliable, most involving string, throwing things, or sticking cutouts on windows and then photographing them. Google away, perhaps best looking for sources before 2000.

This would all be pretty harmless if the same pictures hadn’t been used to suggest the technical brilliance of the Nazis and collaboration between the US govt and those same Nazis. So far as I can tell, the ‘Haunebu saucer’ schematic first emerged on a right-wing stall at an exhibition in Hanover in 1978. On the same pamphlet were some of the claims of Nazi presence and superiority in the Antarctic that have been repeated so often since.

The names ‘Haunebu’ and ‘Vril’ don’t seem to have appeared until after 1990, introduced by Vladimir Terziski, a co-worker of Al Bielek of Montauk Project fame, or infamy. Terziski seems to have introduced the flights to Mars and the Moon, too, together with ideas about Nazi back-engineering from earlier crashes.

So, it looks as though the silly photographs – of clumsy, lumpy, un-aerodynamic objects entirely unsuitable for flight - came first, then the drawing that resembled the photos, then the names given to the objects in the photos and the drawings, and the claims of fantastic technical and scientific achievement. Jim Marrs has pointed out that there are people and organisations who want to push the Nazi agenda, but that doesn’t mean that we have to believe them!

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
While I find your thread very interesting, you must be made aware that nothing in the Weekly World News can be taken seriously.

Johnny - you can read more about the incident referred to in the article at this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Haunebu

Haunebu -thats a good find.



[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

reply to post by Snippy23


Yeah...I remember the good old days around 2000 when there was I think a single source site for Nazi Ufos (maybe two), which everyone now appears to have copied and added their own bits to.

BTW....Vril and wasn't the product Bovril named after Vril?

Anyway, I didn't give the Nazi story much thought, until I read for the description of flight which was zig zag...and the only thing I'd ever seen in the sky years earlier which I couldn't explain, flew in a zig zag.

Wasn't The Adamski UFO exposed as being a special kind of X-ray lamp, or operating theatre lighting fixture?

On a side-note: As a kid I made me a free-flying model flying saucer after the pics in a 60's boy's suspense-book called "The Discus" Despite it's odd shape, it flew pretty well, even gained some height before losing momentum, sooo, the saucer-shape isn't too shabby at flying in an atmosphere..though, I have to admit I never got the balance completely right.

On the special electric submarines the discovery of a special
generator made with plans sold to the German Navy in 1914
was docked all these years.
Found only 20 years perhaps when about to be destroyed when
someone might have pointed out the special generator.
Atomic but not radioactive.
It was immediately classified from all indications if the story true.

All the German saucers might as well be hearsay but the flight
of the Foo (feu in French for fire, el fuego in Spanish) is well
documented. So the technology was known and all that had to
be done is take the plans and engineers to New Mexico and
work to make a few fly over Washington D.C, to prove their
ideas.

Thank you Haunebu for posting an informative and thought provoking thread with archives to stimulate further research for people.

I hope the mods sort you out with some Brownie points as this thread is proper ATS stuff, not the common Youtube crap.

Well done Haunebu, and thank you.

reply to post by Snippy23


I have to disagree with you. The term VRIL has been around since the late 20s early 30s.


I have a reproduction of it.

Too bad that they banned Haunebu, I really would like to contact him, I've read many post of him, he seems have gathered a lot more knowledge and information than I have obtained so far about the Nazi UFOs and related stuff. Like his thread about Germany being an illegal state.
I triple checked it and it's true! Even the taxes in Germany are war-taxes.
No peace agreement, no sovereignty. The Federal Republic of Germany is a commercial company. Just look at their state revenue site!
www.deutsche-finanzagentur.de...
You know what a GmbH is? The state revenue is a Company!
Too bad most of you don't understand German, but al this is related to the Nazi UFOs. Because it raises the question, if the Federal Republic of Germany is not the successor of the Third Reich, who's running the Reich?

I agree with you that the "Nazis" have an agenda.
It says:
Liberation of Germany
Dismantling the NWO
Resurrection of National Socialism
No more Multi Cultural Society

But I've been in the Nazi Elite scene in Germany which is nothing like the brainless hooligan scene, it is really not much to be frightful of. I even met some in person and most of them were very esoteric, almost hippies. They are racists, but peaceful, some are even vegetarian.
BTW, Anyone ever heard about the Germanic New Medicine? Guess not!
CLICK!

Originally posted by Snippy23
The names ‘Haunebu’ and ‘Vril’ don’t seem to have appeared until after 1990, introduced by Vladimir Terziski, a co-worker of Al Bielek of Montauk Project fame, or infamy. Terziski seems to have introduced the flights to Mars and the Moon, too, together with ideas about Nazi back-engineering from earlier crashes.

Correct. In the 1950s and 60s there were only a few articles here and there claiming that the Nazi's had flying saucers yet no detailed, veryfiable information was ever provided. In the 70s a guy named Ernst Zundel took it to a new level and here's where the 'Antarctica Nazi base' originated. Finally, Terziski added even more stuff. When you view all the sources chronology wise, it's just a myth that has been evolving over decades.

What I also feel necessary to point out, and I've mentioned this before in other threads, a portion of the people who come forward with information regarding Nazi UFOs seem to belong to the far right of the political spectrum. Ernst Zundel was in fact a hardcore Neo-Nazi. He even admitted (more or less) that his work was fiction and that he rode the 'UFO angle' to gain publicity for his political views.
What I'm saying is, eventhough Nazi UFOs may seem like an interesting (conspiracy) theory, be careful whose cause you're helping.

[edit on 4-10-2009 by TerraX]

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The article by Ley, and two small pamphlets by a „Reichsarbeitsgemeinschaft‚ Das kommende Deutschland'“, that describe a perpetual motion based on vril, are the only real basis for the speculation that set off later. The Society for Truth that Ley describes was conducting 'research' on the existence of Vril. One can assume that it did not succeed, since the existence of Vril would not comply with common physics. However, it may not be related in any way to Nazi organisations. On the other hand, theories around the Nazi's wonder weapons might support links to research to the existence and application possibilities of vril, for example in the purported top secret and highly sensitive scientific technological device Die Glocke.

Source: VRIL


Than we have Viktor Schauberger and Andreas Epp:

Google Video Link

This is what the NYT Archive spat out:
Floating Mystery Ball is New Nazi Air Weapon

Germans now tell of Secret Plane

Nazi Base Antarctica 1941

Nazi Escape U-Boat found

Brazil finds U-Boat Fuel Base

People should question who's debunking and why!

Interesting input in the last 24 hours, including Erich Kemper’s revelation of anti-NWO yet racist Nazis in Germany. Reminds me slightly of the ‘benevolent’ followers of a Hitler interred in the Antarctic, who provided key but unreliable information for three of Colonel Howard Buechner’s self-published books.

Agreed that the ‘Vril’ term has been around since before 1900 – it was just adopted by Terziski more than 90 years later. I haven’t found an earlier trace of ‘Haunebu’ as an aerial vehicle.

As for the ‘foo fighters’, though the theories describe solid objects the reports are almost all about light phenomena alone. Bill Lyne and Renato Vesco, among others, suggested details of manned and unmanned craft, but these were pure speculation based on the motions of lights as reported. No comprehensible means of propulsion has been suggested and neither visually resembled the Adamski craft which, as someone said, looked like a lamp or a piece of kitchen equipment. The term ‘Kugelblitz’, sometimes used as an alternative to ‘foo fighter’, was actually the name of a flak panzer under development in Germany in 1945.

I can help with one of the NYT links found by TerraX. The report of the Floating Mystery Ball(s) seems to have appeared only in the ‘South Wales Argus’ in December 1944, and then in New York early in January. The report described

“a secret weapon in keeping with the Christmas season” which “resembles the glass balls which adorn Christmas trees”, “are coloured silver and are apparently transparent”, and “have been seen hanging in the air over German territory, sometimes singly, sometimes in clusters”.

This doesn’t tie in with the foo fighter reports, certainly not the scraps of information around at the time. Looks more like a neat, mocking joke when the Allies were pretty sure the war was won.

Epp and Walter Schauberger – the son, I think, of water-turbine craftsman Viktor – have yet to come up with hard evidence of anything much, and certainly not the creation of world-changing technology. I wonder whether anyone with that knowledge and its earning potential would actually choose to waste their time on making a really tatty video.

I would say that foo fighters are more likely a plasma phenomenon, possibly a plasma life form which inhabits our planet with us, but mainly in the upper atmosphere and near space. This phenomenon has been widely reported, especially since man learned to fly, and there are a fair number of NASA videos which show what appears to be this plasma phenomenon.

There is scientific evidence that plasma life forms could exist. I think it is more than reasonable to think that these plasma forms are simply currently beyond our ability to track down and verify. I suspect most UFO sightings are of this phenomenon.

However, the numerous sightings of triangle type vehicles would not fit the description of the foo fighter phenom.

We know NAZI's were brought to the states for technological developments, and even espionage purposes. It could also be stated that the U.S. military changed considerably after WW II. It is probably a good idea to pursue healthy speculation into these possibilities.

How many NAZI's escaped to S American, and what level of success they may have achieved is another major question. Could they have established a base on Antarctica? It seems improbable, but not impossible.

Originally posted by Erich Kemper
reply to post by Snippy23

 

I have to disagree with you. The term VRIL has been around since the late 20s early 30s.

Actually the term "Vril" is a name adapted from a 19th centruy novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton, called " the coming race ". It's a 19th-century scifi story about an aryan superrace that lives inside of hollow earth and enjoys a supertechnology based on Vril energy.

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 9-3-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

That looks exactly like the the video of the ufo over rome that im pretty sure was talked about on this site. there have been many videos and images of this looking ufo and i saw a more advanced looking one a year ago.

Originally posted by Haunebu
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

 

Here's a list of the missing U-Boats. It is interesting to know that it is almost a complete fleet.

The book you are citing - Bodo Herzog - was published 1959.

There has been allot of research since then and allot of the supposedly missing boats have been found today.

This is the complete list of German U-boats that have never been located up to today:


U-116 (Okt. 1942 Nordatlantik),
U-122 (21.6.1940 ?)
U-163 (15.3.'43 französische Küste),
U-165 (27.9.'42 in der Biskaya),
U-196 (30.11.'44 südlich Java),
U-242 (3.4.'45 ?),
U-377 (Jan. '44 Atlantik),
U-398 (Mai '45 England),
U-553 (Jan. '43 Mittelatlantik),
U-602 (23.4.'43 ?),
U-647 (3.8.'43 vor England),
U-650 (7.1.'45 westlich England),
U-703 (Sept. '44 Nordmeer),
U-745 (4.2.'45 im Finnbusen),
U-753 (15.5.'43 ?),
U-925 (Sept. '44 ?),
U-972 (Jan. '44 Nordatlantik),
U-1020 (Jan. '45 ?),
U-1226 (28.10.'44 Nordatlantik).

That's 19, not hundreds of them. Don't know what you want to make of it. But knowing some things about U-boats, I can tell you that for every operational U-boat you need a rather large dock facility and tons of personell that need to be stationed there. You could not hide facilities for 100's of U-boats, I'd even assert that providing infrastructure for those 19 boats would be a very hard thing to do without someone noticing.

Is it possible that some of those 19 U-boats were used to smuggle out Nazis to places like South America? Absolutely.

It is possible that these 19 U-boats were part of a secret fleet that operated well into the 50's and 60's ? Not so much.

reply to post by Haunebu


Didn't someone intentionally put out fraudulent pictures and attribute them to Adamski and when the public saw these hoaxed photos they dismissed all Adamski's photos as fakes?

This is one of many reasons I am sure there is an very large and organized contingent facilitating a deliberate cover up of UFOs.


Who would bother to do this, who is able to do this... and why?

reply to post by rusethorcain


That's a very interesting question.

Honestly, I don't see the connection between the Nazis and Adamski.
Of course, story about die Glocke have been connected to the Adamski UFO, but that's kind of lame because the Glocke lore was invented way after the Adamski sighting.

So I have no answer for your question on Adamski. But the motivation behind the Nazi-Ufo legend is quite clear since the original sources for the claims are mostly (neo)Nazis themselves.

There's tons of revisionist claims about World War 2 that have no basis in fact - for the sole reason that there is a whole industry concerned with propagating these lies. The money for this industry admittedly comes from surviving Nazis and (neo)Nazis of the South American type.

Plus at one point in the War the Pentagon found it a good idea to let people believe that the germans had superweapons, so they didn't debunk the unfounded claims. There's even some speculation if part of it wasn't fabricated by them. But that's all speculation.

What we do know for sure is that Stalin ordered Beria, and later Andropov, to propagate rumours about Nazi-super science. Stalin even ordered part of his police forces to investigate claims of Hitler surviving the war after he himself admitted that Hitler was dead for sure.

Discernible reality - the halls of mirrored mirrors - it's hard to see through who lied for what prupose. What is sure though is that the material basis for claims of NAZI-Ufo's is pretty thin, if not non-existent.

Some say the first one to make up the Nazi-Ufo lore was M.X. Barton in the 60's but I've never corroborated that claim.

The first full blown Nazi-Ufo-Antarctica myth that I know of came with Mattern and Friedrich in 1975 - "Friedrich" in this case being a bogus name used by Ernst Zündel, a proven hoaxer, conjecturer. Worst of all he's an avid and open Nazi - he even wrote an apologetic book on Hitler and why the Germans were right in loving him and outright saying that he loves Hitler. So the genesis of the whole story came from known (neo)nazi hoaxsers.

[edit on 13-3-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
On the special electric submarines the discovery of a special
generator made with plans sold to the German Navy in 1914
was docked all these years.
Found only 20 years perhaps when about to be destroyed when
someone might have pointed out the special generator.
Atomic but not radioactive.
It was immediately classified from all indications if the story true.

any more info on that?
i find that rather nteresting, even a link to a quote would be a start

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My goodness Man? How many decades will it take for clear headed Canadians to notice something more flying in Our skies other than planes, birds and mosquitoes? Just jokin with a fellow Cdn.

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