Half of the founding fathers were masons. Do they really not want to rule the world?, page 2
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reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 11:58 AM by Rockpuck
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I find it odd someone who supposedly was very racist in regards to Africans, was honored by Native Americans for his work to preserve their rights?


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 12:16 PM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Rockpuck


I find it odd someone who supposedly was very racist in regards to Africans, was honored by Native Americans for his work to preserve their rights?


The "very racist" stuff comes from anti-Masons, not actual history.

Pike was born in a white supremacist society, and adopted some of those views early in his life. However, as he grew older, his views began to change. This can easily be seen by comparing his later writings with his earlier pre-Civil War writings. It is also interesting to note that the more he became involved in Freemasonry, the more he began to drop the previous attitudes toward race that had held as a non-Mason Pike did not become a Mason until he was in his early 40's).

When Pike completed his final revisions to the rituals of the Scottish Rite he presented a copy to Thornton A. Jackson, 33°, the African-American Sovereign Grand Commander of the Prince Hall Scottish Rite. In a letter written in 1945 to Bro. George W. Crawford, Bro. Willard W. Allen, the black Sovereign Grand Commander of the Prince Hall Scottish Rite at that time, wrote: Incidentally, it is not necessary to remind you of what practically all Masonic scholars know very well, viz., that in the closing years of General Pike’s Masonic career, he became a very staunch friend of Negro Masonry.

That tradition continues today. When the Supreme Council, Southern Jurisdiction USA, completed the Revised Standard Pike Ritual in 2001, a meeting was held in which Bro. Fred Kleinknecht, Sovereign Grand Commander, presented the revised ritual to the two Grand Commanders of the two Prince Hall Supreme Councils in the US.







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reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 12:20 PM by Rockpuck
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As always ML, you're an excellent source of historic information regarding all things Pike and Masonic!

To be honest I never studied the man, and I never cared for his book Morals And Dogma, and I have seen far more racist centered material regarding Pike than otherwise. So, thanks for the insight, greatly appreciated.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 01:06 PM by masonic kidd
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i haven't seen anything satanic yet. im a 32nd degree knight templar. to be a templar, u MUST profess a christian belief in JESUS CHRIST. our rituals date back to times before Christ. rituals that have been passed down through the KINGS of egypt through moses onto Jesus. So in all retrospect... Jesus Christ was one of the 1st Freemasons. the ritual he used to "make water into wine" is the 3rd degree ritual in masonry. so on that note, i dont see anything sinister about it.. on the other hand... ive been questioning the 33rd degree. or "The secret government within our government"


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 01:43 PM by Rockpuck
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It is true to be in the York Rite, you must be Christian..

However, I seriously doubt that the rituals were passed down by Kings, or even by guilds.. in fact, I am fairly certain they were made up in the 16-1700's.

And I don't recall anywhere in the 3rd degree that mentions the Christian Messiah nor the act of turning water to wine..


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 12:27 PM by masonic kidd
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hiram abiff is the alligorial story of the death of the last egyptian king, seqenenre tao II. who held the secrets of the ritual that made a king into a God upon his passing.. sort of like a rite to passage. the secrets were lost with the egypt king. his only son and aire to his thrown crated a new ritual with a new story of a symbolic death. when Jesus traveled to Qumran, he went through the 3 levels of degrees. taking him 3 yrs. if u read the book "the hiram key" by robert lomas. sit with a bible and masonic ritual in one hand and the book in another.. you'll discover the truth of the alligorical story.
when i was raised to master mason.. the mster of the lodge at the time came up to me and said.." all of what u have leared, is and alligorical story of the truth. its up to u wether or not u want to be a true mason and understand the real history behind what we call life."
the secret is more than u can imagine.
bro. mike 32*mason and a Templar Knight


reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 03:15 PM by jeasahtheseer
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Yeah, okay. You arent really presenting anything new. People always come on here and say they are gonna find information to "get us" but they never do. Maybe its because there IS NO MASONIC CONSPIRACY!! The average mason really has no power whatsoever, and despite what people think there aren't even very much people in government who are masons either. I think its because, sadly, freemasonry is getting less and less popular. I foresee it even hardly existing within 100 years or so. Unless more young people start joining. I'm young and I don't try to recruit anyone or anything but I've told my friends about it and most young people could care less about freemasonry!

I will say though I bet if masons really did rule the world the world would be a much better place!

But you go right ahead and keep "exposing" us. Even though the average person really could care less about the masons, the only people focused on us are conspiracy "people" I guess I could call them. The people who live their whole lives in constant paranoia, its really quite sad.

Sorry to say it, but noone cares about you, noone cares about me, there is no one out to get you!

But you go right ahead and keep boosting that ego thinking you are exposing something. lol conspiracy theorists call US egotistical but in my experience conspiracy people are the most stuck up, egotisical people I have ever met. They sit around in their basements with tin foil lined walls and read the net all day and think they have everything figured out!

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