10 year old Child bride turned over to 80-year-old husband

Originally posted by JJay55
Exactly!!! Women have few rights in sharia law, the men make all the decisions.
Many Americans can't understand that there is such a place in the world where women are secondary and have to cover themselves in public or they are lashed and even killed simply for that. 57 OIC countries.

One can go read the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights, signed in the last couple of years by Muslim countries. Where one can find out that everyone is equal in terms of Human Dignity, but not in reality. And that everyone is entitled to representation - but women are represented by their husbands and fathers.

Very progressive.

Marraige does not always equal sex.
Stop treating this the same as you would a child abduction.

The groom is 80 for goodness sake - he may need a live in caregiver and a wife is the most respected form.

Originally posted by ..5..
Marraige does not always equal sex.
Stop treating this the same as you would a child abduction.

The groom is 80 for goodness sake - he may need a live in caregiver and a wife is the most respected form.

Apparently you are not familiar with Islam.
A 10 year old isn't capable of being a caregiver anyway.
She's 10 years old. 10. That is unacceptable.

Originally posted by ..5..
Marraige does not always equal sex.
Stop treating this the same as you would a child abduction.

The groom is 80 for goodness sake - he may need a live in caregiver and a wife is the most respected form.

Yes, a man that can buy another human doesn't have money to buy a little blue pill.

You realize that they also have consumation ideas in Islam right?

She BELONGS to him. You think he cares about niceties?

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Apparently you are not familiar with Islam.

No. I'm not, but I'm not there to see the situation either. If I were perhaps I could make a better judgement.

What exactly is it that you are missing.

Dad sells daughter who is older to man to settle debt.

Girl marries another. Father offers second younger daugther in her place to settle same debt.

Man accepts payment of human being who is ten years old. Intends to marry said girl and "plow the field" (quote from koran about what you do with your wife.)

Exactly which part is less than clear?

Most important point being that it's not considered "okay" by many cultures, including ours, but it's not considered to be "horrific" in other cultures.

Americans and Western Nations are very culture-centric. But what are we going to do? It's against most charters for us to go in and say "We think this is wrong, stop." when people there will say "this is how we live our lives, this is how it's been, this is acceptable by our laws, who are you to tell us otherwise?"

Apparently it was not "okay" with the child bride as evidenced by the fact that she was hiding, trying to save herself. It's sad that even a 10 year old child can see the obvious flaw to this system and yet we can shrug it off as, "oh well, it's their way".

In Africa, it's their "way" to rape infant girls in some misguided attempt to rid themselves of AIDS and yet we try to educate them and protect the females to drag their barbaric customs out of the ignorance of the dark ages into a more enlightened thinking.

In India it was the custom to burn brides alive on their husbands funeral pyres until a more civilized society intervened.

Some customs of a differing culture can be overlooked (like wiping your rear end with your hand and a bowl of water) but Allah forbid we should overlook man's inhumanity to man.

Who knows how women in THIS country (USA) would be faring if more enlightened, genteel and civilized people had not spoken up for us?

I to, believe STRONGLY in a non-interventionist strategy.
I am just speaking up here so that RS does not feel so alone, haha

I agree with EVERYTHING RavenShadow has said thus far.

America running amuk on planet earth acting as the school bully, attempting to FORCE all humans to walk in lock step, is DEAD WRONG IMO and is the number ONE reason other countries hate us so badly they PRAY for our demise.
This bullying behavior is the reason we are targets of terrorists worldwide.

Sanctions are a far better tactic.


Sadly, this little 10 yr old girl lives in a culture that looks upon woman as chattel, and farm animals are more respected. Those people dont see her so much as a 'child' to be protected, as they do a useless eater.


[edit on 3-9-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
Sadly, this little 10 yr old girl lives in a culture that looks upon woman as chattel, and farm animals are more respected. Those people dont see her so much as a 'child' to be protected, as they do a useless eater.

Modern society certainly can do better than treating people in this manner. There is no excuse for this behavior, we are evolved humans with higher intelligence.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
Sadly, this little 10 yr old girl lives in a culture that looks upon woman as chattel, and farm animals are more respected. Those people dont see her so much as a 'child' to be protected, as they do a useless eater.

Modern society certainly can do better than treating people in this manner. There is no excuse for this behavior, we are evolved humans with higher intelligence.

We can not 'force' them to Modernize & evolve......

We CAN however, make sure NOTHING like this is taking place on our own soil. We can lead by example, and make sure we have no hungry children, no forgotten homeless people dying on the street.........no young woman being kept as sex slaves in backyard tents of known perverts......

Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.

We can clean up our own countries act before pointing fingers at customs we find disgraceful . We aught to lead by example and not by threats of war.
Please remember that is was not all THAT long ago that woman were not allowed to vote here in the USA.....and even today child porn rings run amuk.
I think we need deal with our own human rights issues, before we go pushing our belief system upon others, is what I am saying.
Make sure our own house is in order, before we tell others how to do housework.


[edit on 5-9-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

I don't care about delicate feelings about customs and beliefs in this case.

It is just wrong that a 10 year old girl be married to anyone, especially an 80 year old. She is a child and needs an innocent childhood.

PC is wrecking the world, just like wars are.

This situation is evil and someone who has the power to do so should rescue that girl.

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These types of Islamic crimes are happening within the US. We need immediate zero tolerance. No setting examples. US Law Enforcement, yes!

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I would agree with the ZERO TOLERANCE thing....that would be a great place to start.

Originally posted by spellbound
I don't care about delicate feelings about customs and beliefs in this case.

It is just wrong that a 10 year old girl be married to anyone, especially an 80 year old. She is a child and needs an innocent childhood.

PC is wrecking the world, just like wars are.

This situation is evil and someone who has the power to do so should rescue that girl.

Hallelujah.

I do NOT believe in non-intervention.

I will also report my neighbour for beating their children, or a spouse. I will step into t a fight that is unfair.

I will NEVER agree to leaving most of this planet to rot in horrors because someone claims brutality is culture, and that what happens on the other side of the field is none of my concern.

Most of history is filled with this...and frankly most of hisotry is full of horrible nasty people with everyone else just moo-mooing and baahing and bowing before them because they are scary.

If a few more people had instead CARED, and been less filled with runaway and hide from the monsters, maybe we'd be further along than still having 80% of the planet living like THAT.

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Yet we still have some people in the media who will sweep this incident under the carpet. The Orlando Sentinel has writers (Jeff K) who are saying this case should go away, or go to Ohio where it belongs. They suggest there is no sanctuary for this child. They cherrypick people to interview that will say that honor killing is overblown and we shouldn't worry, just go to sleep while the sacrific takes place.

No, I will not sleep, I will not stop speaking about the horrors of Islam. Ever.

I don't know how many of you caught it. Earlier this year, Muzzammil Hassan, bankrolled by the Saudis with his Bridges TV, a cable station to counter Islamic stereotyping in America, managed to get publicity for his failing broadcast venture. His wife was found beheaded in the Buffalo studios and he has been charged.

The media amazingly applied damamge control with stories emphasizing his distress over money concerns.

The Saudis have bought up smaller news agencies and controlling interests in major ones like Associated Press and Reuters. We get minimum coverage of outrageous stories as a result.

The Saudis through their banker, Khalid bin Mahfouz, have managed to successfully launch over 50 cases suppressing books and articles reporting on matters like the subversion of Muslim charity funds to terrorists. They win thorugh economic intimidation. Publishers's very existence are threated by lawsuits in the millions.

The media is compliant on all this.


Mike

Lots of money and effort is going into making the Islamic public image acceptable in the US. Why? So in the event of a take over of the government and Sharia Law instilled... the US public will understand what is expected of them.
Like mentioned before, this plan is going into action in front of our eyes.

Those who oppose Islam are always killed unless they convert.

But first, they sling insults and veiled threats at those who amoungst Islam who are more modern and not barbarians. They accuse them of being Christianized. They accuse them of the worst crime - of being an Apostate.

The danger in this is very much unrecognized.

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
Thats absolutely disgusting.
Who in their right mind other then a full on pedophile would condone this?
To marry a 10 year old and let society say its ok tells alot about that persons mind and alot about the society in which they live.
Its NOT ok to marry kids!!!!!!!!!
Oh wait let me guess...its tradition?
Tradition can kiss my butt.

No offence to thers views...this is just my opinion.

[edit on 26-8-2009 by DrumsRfun]

Great said! I agree with you 100%

It's disgusting- and I don't care if it has been done for million years- it's just plain wrong.

a 10 years old girl??- it's just a little child!- have some mercy and compassion instead of saying "oh .. it's their culture- we cannot judge them".-

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Any ADULT who is trying to escape from their intended shouldn't be forced to be married and raped - which is what would have to happen.

That is what we are being sold as being "open minded" and "tolerant." You should just accept that selling and raping people is culture.

I'll accept culture as being songs, and stories, interesting view points, art, dance, types of family gatherings, etc. I won't accept culture as being formalized brutality.