Originally posted by nunya13
reply to post by wayouttheredude
No kidding. Some "Christians" seem to back up their crazy claims of revenge and hate with quotes from the old testament. But when you tell them,
in contrast, about how Jesus said to love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek, you hear crickets.
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Ya know, I get A LITTLE tired of hearing so much justification to attack religion based on the actions of fringe extremists.
I get a little tired of having to continue reading the same old tired examples as if the fred phelps guy is what Christians are ALL about when I look
at perez hilton or Chris Crocker I guess I could post a comment or two like Hunka did here and after reading many of hunkas posts, Ill bet you he
thinks he is actually doing something positive for his society dutiful to his mission he has on ATS to not deny ignorance but obviously to exploit it
at every turn than cast it over a broad range of society while defending a small segment of the population claiming what they do is in no way harming
anyone else yet they can't get a free pass at a blood donar drive.
I get tired of seeing the same old inaccurate lessons in history about the thousands of witchs burned in salem. What was it again,, thousands or just
a couple dozen? Or how bout them Crusades babay! Yeah that one gets em everytime and PROVES Religion to be the most evil thing MAN ever invented and
you know why it was invented don't you!
TO CONTROL who ?
Then if that wasn't enough to shut them all up and keep them from "shoving" (did I say "shoving") yes "Shoving" that Bible down everyone's
(Did I say everyones?) Yes EVERYONES throat!
Oh and did ya know that book was written by HUMANS! Yep Not by God but HUMANS! Seems God can use lightening (something he created) to write ten
commandments in stone but using humans to write things on paper is subject to ridicule.
While the very Book asks we treat our slaves better, those same people who argue God doesn't exist, seem to believe it when it comes to criticizing
him for endorsing slavery as if he ordered we created the concept. If that isn't silly enough, we then use it to claim the Bible contradicts itself.
Yet the same book written by such fallable creatures All scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for
training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work .
(2 Timothy 3:16,17)
The word "inspired" (theopneustos) in the original Greek language literally means "God breathed'. When the Bible claims to be inspired, we
understand therefore, that it came from the mouth of God. It is God-breathed, inspired. But Bible Butchers will say "Everyone knows the Bible was
written by men! Well Duh!
The book of I Corinthians, for example, was written by a man named Paul. How do we know this? Well lo and behold! The man made book even says so! In
Fac: first verse bears his name as the author. In reply to this we answer: Yes,Corinthians was written by Paul.
Consider if you can put your hatred, not of Christians hating gays but you homosexuals hating Christians, yeah lets see how it is when your own hate
and bigotry is called into question because I certainly won't hold you to any homosexual behaviors like turning the other cheek when most of you
would see it as an opportunity to be spanked.
I'm talking to what I HOPE is a small percentage of gays who, like the OP get some kind of enjoyment out of maligning Christians behind the guise of
You'll admit there is very rarely anyone saying, ya know, you're right about that stylez and I am guilty of it too. You will rarely see anyone here
do any such thing and like the driver who always flips the bird at the jerk in tghe other car because it is the other drivers fault, it is always the
other guys ignorance we are denying while it is inconceivable we would be guilty of any ourselves!
You ever watch the McGlauglin Group? do they ever agree on anything there ? How about you and your own family when you get togather during the
holidays? You ever all agree on much?
Ever read a thread about evolution or creationism? They ever agree on much? They are all saying they deny ignorance too. Its amazing the three or
four guys that started this place could not have seen that as anything less than a slogan but Ill let the mantra stand as a possibility for the many
who actually think it means something while they never agree on much, what I just said they most liklely would not agree with that either much less
anything the Bible says, yet 40 different men wrote the 66 books of the Bible and discuss hundreds of controversial subjects,yet they all agree. What
makes this even more remarkable is that the 40 Bible writers lived as much as 1600 years apart. Despite this great potential for contradiction
between Bible writers, there is harmony and continuity in the Bible's message. That is because the Holy Spirit was directly guiding each of the 40
men to write the Bible.
A scientist picked out 48 given prophecies of that book men wrote and determined that the probability of one man randomly fulfilling them all is 1 in
10 to the 157th power.
You know how many zeros are in that number?
That would be 157 zeros after the number one.
You call yourselves on fire for the lord, all you politically correct milk toasts who claim hating the sinner but not the sin isn't how it ought to
be are dead wrong when it comes to that same book and what it says and NOWHWERE does it say we should tickle the ears of homos by insulting there
inteligence with that drivel abouit hating the sin but not the sinner.
You think the sin gives a gives a hoot what you hate about it?
Do you think for one minute a judge behind the bench sentences murder to prison when he judges the murder but not the murderer? Who does the Judge ask
when those claims of innocent made by the accused are requested to be judged?
A jury of his peers that is who and if I were to give an example of how butchered some of the logic I see going on here can get, I would be re-miss in
my personal obligation to "deny such ignorance" if I didn't correct myself first with a disclaimer making clear that I don't mean a jury of other
murderers when I say jury of his peers.
THAT is how ignorant some of these posts seem to get when I deny the ignorance of those so easily qualified to be here expressing their own. Gee what
did i have to do to qualify again? Umm give my email address and write a captcha phrase saying "northwoods" or something like that?
I would imagine the MODs here are pretty busy but then again I don't know what the standards are for hiring them but I would suspect they would at
least want to live up to the mantra and we'd see a startling revelation like we did eddy murphy in the movie 48 hours.
I see anne rebuke these individuals who are like this minister yet defend the rights of moms in the predicament of not being pregnant but getting
advice of planned parenthood and don't ya just know what that choice she is going to be end up making is going to end up having someone die at tthe
hands of its own mothers right to choose to kill another.
You think Christians judge homosexuals harsh? ha ha how'd ya like to be living in the womb of someone with that philosophy! Yes I'll bet their are
many that disagree with me for what ever the groped for excuses their are in the never ending battle between those two arguments for right to choose
and right to survive at any phase of our human existance. Ill bet they both believe they too, are denyiing the others "ignorance" and ya know what?
I know they believe it because I have asked them.
Simon Gray who ever he is, is a genius Ill give him that and the addiction to argue has never been so profititable when it is done behind the guise of
such a clever and easily applied slogan to our own ideology no matter what or who it is using it to apply to the other.
Although the Bible is not primarily a book of science, it does contain numerous scientific facts. We laugh at the scientific knowledge of just a
hundred years ago. If man alone were the author of the Bible, we would expect to find many such humorous errors we could easily dismiss this book as
the bunk so many here claim that it is and justify our laughter and ridicule of those so stupid enough to believe there is something more to it than
just a "vengeful" God. We could all agree with the likes of Moocowman whose apparent job it is to post on boards all over the internet, his
personal war with religion. I don't know where he has the time to do it but that kind of ignorance isn't about religions' hatred, it is about his
own and if anyone doesn't get that idea from reading just ONE of his bait em bash em and bash em threads, then the ignorance you deny is your own, in
You atheist's who by your own self admission are the "science community" and are so quick to use the scientific method to discount creationism when
that same old book gives science a lot to think about when you consider just TEN of those detailed and specific prophesy that could have only been
given by someone with a little more on the ball than say,, "man"?
PROPHECY EVENT FULFILLMENT
Psalms 41:9 Betrayed by a Friend (Judas) John 13:18-27
Zechariah 11:12-13 Betrayed for 30 pieces of silver Matthew 26:15
Psalms 22:18 Clothes gambled for Matthew 27:35
Psalms 22:16 Hands and feet nailed to cross Luke 23:33
Psalms 34:20 No bones broken when killed John 19:36
Zechariah 12:10 Side pierced John 19:37
Isaiah 53:12 Prayed for his murderers Luke 23:34
Psalms 22:1 His forsaken cry Matthew 27:46
Isaiah 53:9 Buried in rich man's tomb Matthew 27:57-60
Psalms 16:10 Raised before body decayed Acts 2:31
10 prophecies that foretold the crucifixion of Christ. Not only were the predictions made 1000 years before Christ came from heaven to earth, but
they were made over 500 years before crucifixion was first used anywhere in the world as a form of capitol punishment! Crucifixion itself didn't
exist when the prophecies were made.
I won't even trouble you with the extremely compelling arguments given where archaeological discoveries once said to be mythical places mentioned in
the ancient best selling book of all time are made patently a fact of the books accuracy or merely mentioning the idea that every book science writes
should be so damn lucky to have so many of its own scientific predictions as accurate. Science should BE so full of myths as the Bible!
I don't know about all of you, but I know when I am wrong and it is usually when I take similarities in one persons rhetoric and spreading it out to
cover an entire populations of diverse and admittedly flawed people who simply are as guilty of the same sins that same old book predicted we would be
making today, as when it was first written.
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