Sibel Edmonds' Deposition: Video and Transcript Released, page 4
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reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 07:15 PM by TrueAmerican
Well well. That's a little more like it ATS. Maybe I wasn't too far off the mark just to give this thread a bit more time.

There are times to send out mass administrative U2U's. I would classify this thread as one of those times, and worthy of special serious attention from the site. The information is just too important.

It shoves a "you were saying?" up the collective butts of those that come on ATS saying we're all a bunch of paranoid, freak conspiracy nut jobs. The paid government shills, debunkers, and detractors having been dreading this day, the SIBEL EDMONDS day, for a very long time. You see, the FBI has already confirmed many of her allegations. And of course you know what that means.

It shows that elements of our own FBI and Justice Department are in on it too. They've got the evidence, and yet these people still run around free. There is only one reason that could be so. They are putting personal interest above the people's interest. And they are intentionally calling their PERSONAL INTEREST National Security interest, as a means by which to justify their actions of covering all this up and not prosecuting the criminals.

It is not National Security interest in the proper meaning of that term. It is exposure of their corruption, plain and simple. And Obama has been doing the exact same thing in a different sense by threatening the media if they talk about his past.

So when I take the apparent knee jerk position that they all need to be fired and we need to start over again, it is not just my knee that is jerking here. It is every bone in my body.


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 07:28 PM by liveandlearn
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The video said she was married to an influential mand and had grown children. I can not find anything that speaks to a marriage or children


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 07:40 PM by j2000
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Have to figure out which one to smear I guess..........


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 07:49 PM by liveandlearn
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Well, I started to reply to you and state that I didn't think it took place in Ohio, I thought it was DC but only reread the first statement in the document and thought I misunderstood.

Still, think we really need to be careful on this as to not malign an innocent person. Well, that is if there is anyone in congress that is innocent. At least not attribute anything false to anyone. It will end up all over the internet as ATS comes up so prominently.


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 07:58 PM by Mr.Hyde
This is great information and I implore everyone here to get this message out to family and friends.

What would the end-point be if we take this action though? If success is reached; Ultimately, the only out come would be that many more people will lose significant trust in their government. Nothing more will change. Voting the same life-long politicians into different seats of office will not change the well established system. Everything we do from our work to our R & R time, even actions as simple as buying groceries supports the system that we know is behind everything we see that's wrong with the world today. The politics of this country are nothing more than a revolving door run by the same caste of people. The illusion of choice is presented to keep people turned against one another. Why are Third Party Candidates not fully involved in the political process, because they do not fit the established system of control and manipulation. We can agree that there is no real difference between Republican and Democrats, Liberal or Conservative. The power lies with the thousands of Lobbyists that run our Government. The car you drive, the guns you are proud to own, to the toys your children play with, all the way to the food on your table has a lobbyist in Washington behind it. There is a lobbyist behind the Bank you used to pay for the Internet Service your using to read this message right now. To the very inverse of this; If you get the message out and no one does anything, and you've done nothing but waste time, what then? Nothing. Nothing more will change. The breadth and scope of everything Sible Edmonds states is so far beyond anything a change in this country could or would correct. This is global. If America fell apart tomorrow, it would simply be replaced by another nation ready to dominate the Global Market and the wheels of business would continue to turn.

I have participated in threads on here and other message boards where people discuss Tea Parties and the possibility of Revolution. Each thread ends the same way. These are movie like fantasies based somewhere other than reality. There is no easily identified enemy here. The Government you say? The Fed? Banks? The Military Industrial Complex? The News? Who are they? They are your friends and friends of friends, they are your family. How do you chose sides in a conflict where we are all part of the very system we see lying,cheating and hurting us? Are we our own enemy? How do we overcome this?

I see previous comments in which people claim dissatisfaction in others not sharing this information or taking action. What would you have people do? Start riots, protests, fires, what? How much change would this bring? How successful do you think screaming from the roof tops would be? The natural response from people would be to shy away from someone who threatens their comfort zone or accepted and deeply rooted perceptions of the world. Perhaps people are getting tired of opening others eyes because it is becoming evident that no matter how many people have accepted the atrocities of our Government, nothing is changing. These town hall meetings are a joke. People are coming to the uncomfortable realization that the President they fell in love with who promised change and hope is no different than those before him. The number of unemployed and destitute grows as benefits expire and food lines lengthen. I wonder how long it will be until I lose my job. A few of my friends have entered the ranks of the unemployed and can not find work anywhere. Is it only a matter of time before your number is punched and your job is lost? States are going broke and jobs are all interdependent in some regard. It is truly only a matter of time before we are personally effected by the state of things or things to come?


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:04 PM by liveandlearn
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If you get the message out and no one does anything, and you've done nothing but waste time, what then? Nothing. Nothing more will change. The breadth and scope of everything Sible Edmonds states is so far beyond anything a change in this country could or would correct. This is global. If America fell apart tomorrow, it would simply be replaced by another nation ready to dominate the Global Market and the wheels of business would continue to turn.


I empathize with your statement except for

If you get the message out and no one does anything, and you've done nothing but waste time


It is never a waste of time if you wake one person up. There will be a snowball effect, maybe not one we will see in our life time, but eventually, and the process will start all over again.



reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:23 PM by Mr.Hyde
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I appreciate your response.

I was trying to draw emphasis to the fact that if everyone was made aware and operated with a working understanding of the world of corruption around them - what difference would it make?

A loss of faith in the Government is all we would have. I believe people view the Government as they do their parents. People believe the Government has everyone's individual best interest in mind in the actions they take, not unlike their parents. It's not easy accepting the facts as they are and people are slowly coming to terms with what is being done by our Government. Acceptance of an abusive Government is not severing the ties from the very system our lives are accustom to and completely dependant upon though. This supports my claims that; We have a way of life dependent on the corrupt system and abusive Government we disapprove of. The irony of our lives is that we are our own enemies and have no choice but to accept the fate of being a small cog in the wheels of business that is keeping us all fat and happy.

I admire Sible Edmonds bravery and courage. I feel its very unfortunate that nothing will come of it though. We can site numerous cases that support such a claim though.



[edit on 26-8-2009 by Mr.Hyde]


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:25 PM by SourGrapes
You've got to zoom out a bit, you're too focused on the time stamp. While the Bush administration isn't necessarily innocent, per se, they're not to blame for the 9'11 attacks. His administration made the horrific decision to cover it up, quite a bit actually. But, what would any of us have done in that situation? Let me explain:

The Clintons are very dangerous people, and they are big on revenge and have their hands in way too many interests in other foreign policy and interests. They are spiteful and they play many games, some have ended badly - much more so than ever intended.

Now, let me be clear with this point, before I go any further. I, absolutely 100%, believe that the 9/11 travesty was never their intention and ended up being just a horrific accident because of a game they wanted to play, that went horribly WRONG!

The group behind the 9/11 event has been kept in survellence for quite some time, most specifically after the 1993 WTC bombing. This is when the operation went into full swing. By 'operation', I'm referring to the many projects set up by the FBI and CIA to keep tabs on those fanatical extremists. They hired a few thousand more agents, set up an entire counter intelligence division, plus much more. I could add so much more, but I'm already getting apprehensive with posting this much. Not because I know something special, but because so many here are so quick to defect anything that is contrary to what they already believe.

So, before anyone lights their match, let me say that I'm not disagreeing with any one who adamantly insist that Bush was behind 9/11 or was at fault for letting it happen. I just want you to be open to other possibilities.

Anywho...real quick:

Clinton knew of the chatter, read the reports, heard it all...was updated, sometimes daily; on the ME ops.
He'd been warned before, of attacks. Some happened, some did not. Basically he was being played and he knew as much. Some of the intelligence was legit.

Fast forward to 2001.

Mr. C played a dangerous 'keep away' game with this one. He got some of his buddies in the arab division to 'mock' up things a bit. Not destroy the operation, just delay it. You see? He had this arrogance about him that he just couldn't shake, not even after the Monica thing. The AQ and ME thing was his thing (at least thats what he believed) and he wasn't going to just hand it over to the new guy on the block, on a silver platter (especially the son of the President he beat out of office). This new guy would have to 'earn' it. (Never thinking that the chatter, backed up log of translations just may have something dire in them)

He (Mr. C.) played a very dirty game that back-fired on the entire country, not just the new President. This wasn't just switching around keyboard keys.

I'll stop there, as I'd like to see how this is digested.

I'll end with this...This FBI whistle blower may have been fired by the Bush administration, but not for the reasons that seem to be the most obvious: The cover up of the current failed administration. It was to cover up the previous administration.

Again, I ask you to ponder this for a bit. What would you have done, at that time, with that information that was being discovered? Could we, the People, have handled much more those past few months?

Hard decisions were made those few months following the tragedy, but none of the decisions would have been a good decision. Only the best bad decision.

There's much more but I doubt it'll be much accepted, just yet.

(Dislaimer: This is purely Fictional: Believe what you want.)


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:25 PM by j2000
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Could you adjust your post to remove the Congresswoman's name please.

The post you quoted have already been adjusted.

Thank you.


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:35 PM by j2000
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Somewhat plausable. The timeline you speak of matches a lot of what she is talking about. Late 90's. The relationships she mentioned, take time. Not just one half of a year. GW Bush took office on 20 Jan 2001. This did not get all planned in 8 months. No way, not that big of job.

Even assuming that it went down as advertised, with the planes bringing down the buildings including # 7. I don't think that could have been done under Bush. There would have been intelegence coming in long before that. There would have been relationships built over years and years.
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