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Those'll do. The Saddam question is a little iffey...since there has been evidence both for and against his involvement at some points in the planning of 911, or rather elements of his govt.
But other than that bit of a quibble, I like 'em. I really am looking forward to it.
Originally posted by pexx421
It is a fact that most americans are undereducated and ignorant by international standards. I had 2 foster children from saudi arabia, 1 was 4 years old and the other was 8 and both spoke 3 languages fluently. Most americans cant even speak english properly, and many think they speak "american". Further, the average person from brittain or germany knows the history of france, canada, US, etc, however most americans have no clue of brittish history, much less their own. Most europeans know who the president of america is, as well as the rulers of all their neighboring countries...however most americans have no clue who the prime minister of canada is, or of any european countries, the president of mexico, or even the leaders of china, iran, venezuela, russia, or any of our contemporary neighbors or foes.
This, to me, is highly indicative of the lack of education or interest of americans.
Originally posted by pexx421
Yeah, stylez, thanks for the well thought out and educated response. You are obviously an american. Im sure you give thanks every day for the education you received. As i said, regardless of what you think of france, people in other country do get much better educations than we do, with us coming in 15th. While its not the worst by any means, its certainly not the best that most americans seem to believe.
USA scores the lowest in national average IQ among the developed countries of the world, at a national average score of 98.
American high school students scored 483 in the test Program for International Student Assessment. The average scores of American students were way below those of top scoring countries like South Korea, Japan, Switzerland, Germany, Ireland, etc. all of whom scored between 503 and 544 (significantly higher than US scores).
They scored worse than countries which spend much less in education.
The report also states that in US, mediocrity is encouraged by monopoly of public school and opportunity based scholarships, which is hurting the academic ability of Americans when compared to the rest of the world.
One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth, an idea science had abandoned by the 17th century.
Now with all these statistics and research data it is up to you, the reader to decide if Americans really deserve the ’stupid’ tag. As with any nation, there are always exceptions which means not all Americans fit these statistics. But a majority of Americans do which creates the average data at a lower level than the other countries.
Overall, we can determine that Kerry (blue) states outperform the national average for intelligence by a ratio of 2 to 1, while Bush (red) states under perform it by the same ratio, 2 to 1. In other words, 2/3 of the Kerry states are of above the national intelligence average, while only 1/3 of the Bush states are. However, this does not paint the whole picture. Let's look at the average intelligence for each candidate's states:
My suspicions: First of all, European countries are small, the US is big. Europeans have had to cope with many different neighbors, languages, and cultures for centuries. It’s easier for Americans to think that their nation is the whole world. Second, television. The average American watches more than four hours of TV a day, the average European about an hour less. Television sucks out your brain, especially the simplistic pap that passes for entertainment in the States. Third, Europeans walk more. Many of my friends, like myself, don’t even have cars. Driving around in a metal box and seeing the world through safety glass can lead one to think that it’s all just another TV program.
I am 100% American and not proud of it. When I look around, I see fat, stupid, rude people who walk around doing whatever they feel like doing and not caring about the feelings of others. In stores like WalMart, you see people pushing other people out of their way and not moving themselves to let others by. These same people look you up and down as if something is wrong with you, then continue on to the cash register where they are rude to the cashier, then when their check is declined, they want to hold up the line to have a manager come over because they just know they have money and don't understand why their check didn't go through. It must have been because the cashier is an idiot.
European countries in particular, have been engaging in trade, wars and pacts for several centuries, thus requiring some basic knowledge about each other. Most Europeans speak at least 2 or 3 languages, simply out of necessity. Until trade and expansion required it, the U.S. did not have any need to understand centuries of world history or geopolitics, and by then, with the fortuitous invention of atomic warfare, didn't have to
Taking up the first of our definitions of stupidity, how ignorant are we? Ask the political scientists and you will be told that there is damning, hard evidence pointing incontrovertibly to the conclusion that millions are embarrassingly ill-informed and that they do not care that they are. There is enough evidence that one could almost conclude -- though admittedly this is a stretch -- that we are living in an Age of Ignorance
There are many that won’t like the term “stupid” in the title but this American is beginning to believe it is far more appropriate than “ignorant”, particularly if one presumes ignorance is based on lack of information, disinformation, or misinformation that can be easily found and/or dispelled respectively.
Its their nature. Ignorance, poor judgement, bad upbringings, failure of society, lack of moral fiber, blame it on any of them. So specifically Americans = generations of inflated egos meeting privilege, combined to make ignorant and naive people whose only fanatical purpose in life involves superficial rights, pop culture, Mcdonalds, and lawsuits. Yes, Im an American...and Yes, I still think theyre stupid.
Americans are considered stupid for a number of reasons...
Stupidity isn't quite the right word and not all Americans fit this definition (I know plenty of smart Americans), but I do think there are some stupid people out there, stupid in the sense of ignorance rather than lack of intelligence. Ignorance tends to breed ignorance and a lot of people never look beyond what they have been taught, which can lead them to be blind to the wider world. They are also accustomed to thinking that their opinions are Right and therefore they must be voiced as loudly as possible, because hey, that's Freedom of Speech. And the problem is, other ignorant people listen, and then you get these little blocks of ignorant people joining together, supporting each others opinions, all very loud and all blinded by their own ignorance and arrogance, and yes, it comes across as stupidity. It reminds me of sheep. I don't think that the majority of people in America are stupid, just that the intelligent ones don't speak up as much as the ignorant ones, and if they do, they tend to get drowned out by all those sheep out there.
Originally posted by dodadoom
LOL! They can't tell time if its not digital! OMG!
Thanks for the laugh!
Got me through the rest of your sad post.
I can click and paste this stuff all night long,
but there is nothing like real world experience to back it up!
You bring up a good point;
not only are they are next leaders, they are our future voters! OMG
Its only a matter of time before we do ourselves in, right?
Because of you-know-what?
I think this is where I'm supposed to say;
be sure and stock up on food and ammo?
[edit on 30-8-2009 by dodadoom]
Europeans are way more likely to speak our language than we are to speak theirs, and to know and care a lot more about our business than we do about theirs. Why? Probably because we’re greedy, smug, and self-centered. But in our defense let me point out that we live in a big, big country. Travel 500 miles in Europe and you might go through several languages and national histories. (And only ten years ago you would have needed several currencies.) If I travel 500 miles, I'm in Pennsylvania. Or Nebraska. Same language, same money, same media, same bad food. As a nation we're just a little unclear on the concept of foreign countries.