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Originally posted by oozyism
Yes pipelines and Palestine, most fight for that purpose. Every so called terrorist you talk to they will mention Palestine. If America is so concerned about terrorism that it has spent over trillion dollars in two wars, then shouldn't it act more fairly between the current nation of Israel and the future nation of Palestine? I mean they can't even stop the Israelis from expanding their illegal settlements.
Iff America is so deeply influenced by Israel, not vice versa one can make the assumption that the Zionist regime in Israel is controlling Obama.
Don't get a chance to speak to many terrorists.
The logics of American foreign policy baffle most. Not a secret there was a major attack on the US in 2001. An acknowledged invitation for a confrontation on home turf in the Middle East.
The US is presently concerning itself with containing Iran and extending their sphere of influence eastward towards former Soviet Union members Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, etc. The reason they're in Afghanistan. They moved into Iraq largely at the behest of the Saudis, to act as a buffer against the Shiite expansionism.
Iran supports Syria, Lebanon, Hamas and Hezbollah moving their influence towards the coveted Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Jordan.
Keeping Israel and the Palestinians in perpetual conflict has become a sideshow for major players. Israel is seen as a supporting pillar by the West. Whether they will be called on by the US to do the heavylifting in a possible direct confrontation with Iran, remains to be seen. The Saudis again will call the shots.
Originally posted by oozyism
WOW the Saudis are influencing America, WOW. And do you believe the Saudi Kind will survive a day without the American support? Or any other dictator in the middle east?
The Israel/Palestinian issue is not solved due to the Zionist regime controlling Israel. And no it is not a sideshow due to the fact that if America solves this crisis not only Sunny nations but also the Sunny population would support America. With that support Iran wouldn't be able to move a muscle. But the fact of the matter is that Sunnis and Shiites are united against America and the only people who are sided by America in middle east is the dictators who America has given amnesty in the ocean of hate.
Originally posted by oozyism
The point is that this whole situation is based on American interest. But you seem to think that the Arabs are actually players in this. The Arabs are puppet regimes, and history tells that if puppets don't follow their master's wishes, they will be squashed. An example is Saddam. Saddam was playing the dirty game of America fighting Iran, and America loved its bum boy. When the bum boys don’t follow order, another bum boy replaces him/her. Whether by invasion, coup, assassination, proxy wars etc it will happen and when these interventions fail the product would be Iran.
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Once again the reason why the Arabs can’t and won’t do anything is because their leaders are American backed (like the Shah) and the Arab leader’s policies are based on American orders. And that simply means that the Middle East is simply a colony of America.
Modern day imperialism let’s hope it gets to your head. Don’t hesitate to ask me for some sources.
Originally posted by mmiichael
I'll continue to respectfully disagree. History informs us but what people did in the past and what they do in the present is not always the same.
The Saudis are a prime example. At one time they may have been at the beck and call of the US, but their ambitions and goals are changed.
I also have reliable sources and they say things most don't hear from the media. The 57 predominantly Muslim states across the world have a co-ordinated program. It involves direct confrontation with the West and it's on schedule. They refer to 9/11 as the Awakening. A showdown is coming up.
I say this not out of paranoia or racism. It is based on what significant player in the Muslim world are saying and backing up with their actions.
There's a reason they invited the US to their home turf. They are determined and resourceful. It goes deeper than hatred or revenge. It's about control and power.
Mike
[edit on 4-9-2009 by mmiichael]
Originally posted by oozyism
Show me some actions which goes against American interests, like lets say nationalization of petrolium, would these dictators be able to do that?
The White House says a failed assassination attempt against Saudi Arabia's anti-terror minister was a "cowardly attack" and serves to remind of the importance of U.S. cooperation with partners in that region.
Saudi Arabia has waged a campaign against al-Qaeda in the country, killing or capturing most of its leaders after a string of attacks that started in 2003.
Earlier this month, Saudi authorities announced the arrest of 44 people thought to be linked to al-Qaeda and the seizure of explosives, detonators and firearms.
Human Rights Watch has criticised the country for detaining thousands without charge while Amnesty International said the state had committed human rights violations on a "shocking" scale as part of its crackdown.
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by mmiichael
Wait, should I ask this or not. I don't want to be sad but please don't hesitate to post some sources along side your allegations. The royal family are openly fighting and killing Al-Qaeda, at least they are named Al-Qaeda. They are simply Saudis who are sick of American colonization of the worlds most important Muslim site.
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The Royal Family is very large and not monolithic. Many of its members are working at cross-purposes .
[edit on 5-9-2009 by VinceP1974]
Originally posted by VinceP1974
The [Saudi] Royal Family is very large and not monolithic. Many of its members are working at cross-purposes.
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by VinceP1974
Yes I know that, we are discussing the people in power. Get it? Or do I have to post 10 more paragraphs?
The Royal Family is very large and not monolithic. Many of its members are working at cross-purposes .
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by VinceP1974
You are another mic and I don't want to waste time, firstly you should prove your claim:
The Royal Family is very large and not monolithic. Many of its members are working at cross-purposes .
Which Royal Family member are you exactly talking about.
Prince Nayef spoke out on terrorism, commenting on the Arab world's serious and positive efforts in fighting it and citing the Arab Agreement for combating terrorism that was signed in 1998. People gathering in Afghanistan from Arab countries, he said, are doing so in contravention of Islam, since Islam does not allow the killing of those who are innocent.