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Democrats plan hundreds of reform rallies

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posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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Why do the Democrats even need a rally? They control the house, the senate and the white house. If this plan was so wonderful, then why don't the Democrats just pass it and reap all the glory? I'm constantly reading/hearing about how the Republicans have been holding everything back and such, but they want their support? If the Democrats can't even hold thier own party together over such a "wonderful" bill then how good could it be?




posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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Only if you carry a big sign and promise to gesticulate wildly and yell really loud at anti health care people or people who disagree with certain contents of the current bill(s).






posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:38 PM
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go to Craigslist they are hiring constantly.Under the non profit section (how ironic)



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Kords21
Why do the Democrats even need a rally? They control the house, the senate and the white house. If this plan was so wonderful, then why don't the Democrats just pass it and reap all the glory? I'm constantly reading/hearing about how the Republicans have been holding everything back and such, but they want their support? If the Democrats can't even hold thier own party together over such a "wonderful" bill then how good could it be?


Because it's constituents that Congressmen and women have to answer to at election time, not other politicians. If you ramrod a bill down the throats of people who don't want it, those people will remember and they'll make sure they vote you out.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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So HCAN have liberal astroturfers on board ...

Again, both sides have them, what's the problem?

Just so I'm clear, I'm not picking a side, imo all the screaming and posturing harms the debate ... but as long as both sides are free to act like jackasses as is their right, I just don't see the issue.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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You asked me to prove a few of my points.I believe I have, now that you think you know me please read this thread I started yesterday or day before which got zero replies(I was just postulating) www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit;the only reason I'm against obama is because he is currently in charge.I was against Bush and his objectives also.I see them as one and the same,government that wants to get bigger.I think I may have wrote a thread where I make the analogy about government and a living organism.If not I should

[edit on 25-8-2009 by genius/idoit]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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The idea this health care would be "universal" is a joke. Will our esteemed leaders drop their plan? That just smacks of elitism to me. As I have posted before fix what we got now before you try and drop another in our laps. Funny thing is how many of you would be unwilling to follow the draft if it were reinstated? This health care mess is like putting an addition on a leaky shack.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by drwizardphd


Correct, the DNC is funded entirely by contributions from private investors. According to Wiki, 80% comes from small donors who donate less that $250, and they do not accept contributions from federal lobbyists.


Yes they take donations of 250 or less for the most part, but if you look at the last election Obama had the same sort of "donations" if you look most of those donations come from untracable pre-paid credit cards.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by RDR17

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Hah, please...

Fear goes a long way, and when you have insurance lobbyists promising you that if Obama does pass the health care, grandma will die by death panels, and this country will become Marxist, it's sad...

No, you know what? It's not sad, it's pathetic...

To say that every country that has universal health care is Marxist or socialist is an insult.

It's propaganda, and you guys who believe Obama is trying to lead us into a hole? You're wrong.

You're being led by corporations, companies, and individuals who want to keep their money.

Universal health care is not the enemy here.


You might want to check on who exactly is pushing for and funding the massive propaganda err advertising blitz the country is about to be faced with. You my friend are being led by corporations, companies, and individuals who want to keep YOUR and all of OUR money.

Government IS the ENEMY here.


No, it's not. There needs to be a system of checks and balances so that no person has ultimate control of the people, but this is not what's happening with Obama.

If you admit the system we have right now SUCKS, then the damn lobbyists who are supporting it, who want it to stay, are nothing more then greedy. They know it's bad, but money is the most important thing.

It's not the government here, RD.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Exactly.

So, it's alright for the conservatives to rant and complain, but when the Democrats stand up for their views, it's all bad.

Hypocrites...


Hypocrites calling people hypocrites.


And during the last administration, even Pelosi was saying she was proud to be a dissenter. Now, of course, dissent is "evil".


Dissent's not evil. President Obama is allowing everyone to voice their opinion of what they think of health care. He is not stopping people from voicing what they feel.

BUT, screaming and shouting at a town hall meeting is not productive.

BRINGING A GUN to a town hall meeting is DUMB.

Referring to the President as Hitler is moronic.

If you're going to hate health care reform, find a real reason on hating it. There are many people on here who do understand why they don't like it, and have a real reason, even if I disagree with it, of voicing their opposition with it.

But the majority of people who go to these town hall meetings have been blinded...



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by RDR17

Originally posted by Mak Manto
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It's a small number, but health care reform is not the only road we must take to get our country better.

I'm a HUGE supporter of embryonic stem cell research to find the cures for many of these diseases that require surgeries.

Can you imagine within our lifetimes telling our own children of a thing called cancer, of how it was once a deadly disease?


The problem with Liberals like yourself is so simple that I am shocked the most intelligent among us totally miss it. It is NOT compassionate if it doesn't work. The government spends the peoples money in ways that on the surface seem compassionate and egalitarian, the results be dammed! The private sector has proven time and time and time again that it is much more efficient and effective in ACTUALLY helping people on many levels. Look at the cost v.s. results for charities doing the same or similar function as government and you will quickly see that it is actually much more compassionate to support charities by your own free will than it is to support any obligatory government program. It's not even close.

Edit for this:

BTW, Adult stem cell research has shown that adult stems cells are actually much more effective than embryonic stem cells. Makes sense that one's own stem cells would be more effective in fighting disease and injuries for that individual than another persons'. Again though, results be dammed!

[edit on 25-8-2009 by RDR17]


The only reason why that's true is that President Bush didn't go as far with it. The House and the Senate both wanted Bush to further the research on embryonic stem cell research, and he promised every time if that a bill were to pass through, he would veto them.

Which he did. He vetoed three bills.

Now, President Obama has the chance to further the research on this. Diseases that could be wiped out forever. Eradicating the disease fully from the world.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto

Guess what, though? It's the right thing to do.

When you have a disease, which is not your fault, and a company will not take you in because they're afraid you'll get sick and cost them money, how is that helping people?

How is it helping a family who's only able to pay so much into health care, that if they get sick, the insurance company will refuse to pay for the surgery?

Really, I'm the kind of person that believes in helping everybody. I
But if you guys are waiting for the perfect system, you're never going to find one. Every plan has its problems.

Universal health care, though, is a good solution.



While I agree on many of your points I also disagree on the idea that we need universal healthcare.
I have asked my senators over and over again and have gotten no answer so maybe you can answer this.
If Medicare and Medicaid are going broke then How can we afford this universal healthcare?
My suggestion is this, Insurance reform. Make it so insurance companies Cannot refuse to insure a person with a pre-existing condition.
One thing you should Know it that is Already Is Illegal for an insurance company to change coverage or increase premiums for someone that has a catastrophic disease.
I also care about people and their health.
My solution would be this. Fix Medicare and Medicaid, raise the income requirements so the poor and "working poor" would have either of these health plans.
It would be less expensive to rework these plans than it would be to overhaul the Whole healthcare system.
I need to add one thing, do you actually Know anyone that has no health coverage that has Not been treated? Maybe it is different in different states but No One is ever turned away from a hospital for lack of insurance they are Always seen by a doctor.
The other thing is, does your community have Free Clinics? Mine has five. And I checked smaller communities in my gereral area and Every One of them has at least one Free Clinic.
What do you think?



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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Time to solve this issue once and for all. Street Style. Dems vs. GOP. Winner take all. I've got a call into Ice T for the MC gig.




posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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No, you're right. It doesn't matter if you have health care or not, but what you're referring to is an emergency.

If you have an emergency, your allowed the right to go into a hospital and be healed free of charge.

Though, as the one doctor put it in John Q, with Denzel Washington:



MAGUIRE: I'm telling you, it's not that far from the truth. The # happens all the time. Paramedics bring in some accident victim gasping for his last breath. Big boys in accounting find out they can't pay, they send them packing.

JULIE: Hospitals can't turn people away.

STEVE: Yeah. I thought there were laws about that.

MAGUIRE: There are laws. But there are also ways around the laws. All we have to do is stabilize them. After that, we're off the hook.

DR. TURNER: That's not how it works.

MAGUIRE: That's exactly how it works. Maybe not up there on the fifth floor, but down here, if you ain't got no money, you get a band-aid, a foot in the ass, and you're out the door.


And that is how it is. All they need to do is stop you from dying. But if you have cancer and are not able to afford health care, you're screwed.

Need a surgery? SCREWED.

It's messed up, man.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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Mak Manto
Do you believe that what you see in a Movie is how the Real world is?
I don't know Anyone that has been turned away from a hospital for emergency treatment. Not One.
I have a girlfriend who's mother had cancer and No Insurance. She was treated at the local Cancer treatment center and got her medication free from the Pharmaceutical company.
I also have another friend that had brest cancer and No Insurance she was also treated at the local Cancer treatment center Free. Same deal with the Pharmaceutical company too.
I myself while between jobs and No insurance went to the local Free Womens clinic for my genealogical exams and mammograms.
My five year old neice had kidney failure and was airlifted to the childrens hospital 125 miles away from the local hospital. All Free because my sister had No Insurance.
Again, do you honestly Know anyone that was Not treated at a local hospital or free clinic. Do you know anyone that was stabelized at one hospital and transfered to another Other Than it was a speciality Hospital better qualified to treat the person?
There is so much hype about all this Health Care Reform that it is pathetic.
I have to say again that what we need is Insurance Reform. I find it hard to believe that an Insured person would get Less care than someone that has No insurance.
If insurance companies can actually deny coverage for something that is Medically necessary that is just insane. It should be a law don't you think?
So Insurance reform is what we need. Not the overhaul of the Whole Health Care System!



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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Once again, not for an emergency, no.

But if you have a disease, and you're not able to foot the bills, you will die. Money, in the end, is the deciding factor in a lot of cases.

You can't pay, you're out of luck.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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You must have missed this part of my post.
I have a girlfriend who's mother had cancer and No Insurance. She was treated at the local Cancer treatment center and got her medication free from the Pharmaceutical company.
I also have another friend that had brest cancer and No Insurance she was also treated at the local Cancer treatment center Free. Same deal with the Pharmaceutical company too.
I myself while between jobs and No insurance went to the local Free Womens clinic for my genealogical exams and mammograms.
These are not hospital emergency room treatments.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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This has nothing to do with talking points anymore.

It's all about Unicorn Pelosi and Unicorn Reid leading Charlie The American Public Unicorn off to Candy Mountain (Health Care Reform).

Gov't can't do anything right. Get the hell away from us. For cripes sake someone take their pens away from them, they're going to put an eye!




Cash For Clunkers *sigh*



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posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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My kid loves charlie!star.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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I will be carrying a sign reading "Leave my $50 aspirin alone!!!" myself...



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