Why do the Democrats even need a rally? They control the house, the senate and the white house. If this plan was so wonderful, then why don't the Democrats just pass it and reap all the glory? I'm constantly reading/hearing about how the Republicans have been holding everything back and such, but they want their support? If the Democrats can't even hold thier own party together over such a "wonderful" bill then how good could it be?

Originally posted by Kords21
Why do the Democrats even need a rally? They control the house, the senate and the white house. If this plan was so wonderful, then why don't the Democrats just pass it and reap all the glory? I'm constantly reading/hearing about how the Republicans have been holding everything back and such, but they want their support? If the Democrats can't even hold thier own party together over such a "wonderful" bill then how good could it be?

Because it's constituents that Congressmen and women have to answer to at election time, not other politicians. If you ramrod a bill down the throats of people who don't want it, those people will remember and they'll make sure they vote you out.

The idea this health care would be "universal" is a joke. Will our esteemed leaders drop their plan? That just smacks of elitism to me. As I have posted before fix what we got now before you try and drop another in our laps. Funny thing is how many of you would be unwilling to follow the draft if it were reinstated? This health care mess is like putting an addition on a leaky shack.

Originally posted by drwizardphd


Correct, the DNC is funded entirely by contributions from private investors. According to Wiki, 80% comes from small donors who donate less that $250, and they do not accept contributions from federal lobbyists.

Yes they take donations of 250 or less for the most part, but if you look at the last election Obama had the same sort of "donations" if you look most of those donations come from untracable pre-paid credit cards.

Originally posted by RDR17

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Hah, please...

Fear goes a long way, and when you have insurance lobbyists promising you that if Obama does pass the health care, grandma will die by death panels, and this country will become Marxist, it's sad...

No, you know what? It's not sad, it's pathetic...

To say that every country that has universal health care is Marxist or socialist is an insult.

It's propaganda, and you guys who believe Obama is trying to lead us into a hole? You're wrong.

You're being led by corporations, companies, and individuals who want to keep their money.

Universal health care is not the enemy here.

You might want to check on who exactly is pushing for and funding the massive propaganda err advertising blitz the country is about to be faced with. You my friend are being led by corporations, companies, and individuals who want to keep YOUR and all of OUR money.

Government IS the ENEMY here.

No, it's not. There needs to be a system of checks and balances so that no person has ultimate control of the people, but this is not what's happening with Obama.

If you admit the system we have right now SUCKS, then the damn lobbyists who are supporting it, who want it to stay, are nothing more then greedy. They know it's bad, but money is the most important thing.

It's not the government here, RD.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Exactly.

So, it's alright for the conservatives to rant and complain, but when the Democrats stand up for their views, it's all bad.

Hypocrites...

Hypocrites calling people hypocrites.

And during the last administration, even Pelosi was saying she was proud to be a dissenter. Now, of course, dissent is "evil".

Dissent's not evil. President Obama is allowing everyone to voice their opinion of what they think of health care. He is not stopping people from voicing what they feel.

BUT, screaming and shouting at a town hall meeting is not productive.

BRINGING A GUN to a town hall meeting is DUMB.

Referring to the President as Hitler is moronic.

If you're going to hate health care reform, find a real reason on hating it. There are many people on here who do understand why they don't like it, and have a real reason, even if I disagree with it, of voicing their opposition with it.

But the majority of people who go to these town hall meetings have been blinded...

Originally posted by Mak Manto

Guess what, though? It's the right thing to do.

When you have a disease, which is not your fault, and a company will not take you in because they're afraid you'll get sick and cost them money, how is that helping people?

How is it helping a family who's only able to pay so much into health care, that if they get sick, the insurance company will refuse to pay for the surgery?

Really, I'm the kind of person that believes in helping everybody. I
But if you guys are waiting for the perfect system, you're never going to find one. Every plan has its problems.

Universal health care, though, is a good solution.

While I agree on many of your points I also disagree on the idea that we need universal healthcare.
I have asked my senators over and over again and have gotten no answer so maybe you can answer this.
If Medicare and Medicaid are going broke then How can we afford this universal healthcare?
My suggestion is this, Insurance reform. Make it so insurance companies Cannot refuse to insure a person with a pre-existing condition.
One thing you should Know it that is Already Is Illegal for an insurance company to change coverage or increase premiums for someone that has a catastrophic disease.
I also care about people and their health.
My solution would be this. Fix Medicare and Medicaid, raise the income requirements so the poor and "working poor" would have either of these health plans.
It would be less expensive to rework these plans than it would be to overhaul the Whole healthcare system.
I need to add one thing, do you actually Know anyone that has no health coverage that has Not been treated? Maybe it is different in different states but No One is ever turned away from a hospital for lack of insurance they are Always seen by a doctor.
The other thing is, does your community have Free Clinics? Mine has five. And I checked smaller communities in my gereral area and Every One of them has at least one Free Clinic.
What do you think?

Mak Manto
Do you believe that what you see in a Movie is how the Real world is?
I don't know Anyone that has been turned away from a hospital for emergency treatment. Not One.
I have a girlfriend who's mother had cancer and No Insurance. She was treated at the local Cancer treatment center and got her medication free from the Pharmaceutical company.
I also have another friend that had brest cancer and No Insurance she was also treated at the local Cancer treatment center Free. Same deal with the Pharmaceutical company too.
I myself while between jobs and No insurance went to the local Free Womens clinic for my genealogical exams and mammograms.
My five year old neice had kidney failure and was airlifted to the childrens hospital 125 miles away from the local hospital. All Free because my sister had No Insurance.
Again, do you honestly Know anyone that was Not treated at a local hospital or free clinic. Do you know anyone that was stabelized at one hospital and transfered to another Other Than it was a speciality Hospital better qualified to treat the person?
There is so much hype about all this Health Care Reform that it is pathetic.
I have to say again that what we need is Insurance Reform. I find it hard to believe that an Insured person would get Less care than someone that has No insurance.
If insurance companies can actually deny coverage for something that is Medically necessary that is just insane. It should be a law don't you think?
So Insurance reform is what we need. Not the overhaul of the Whole Health Care System!

I will be carrying a sign reading "Leave my $50 aspirin alone!!!" myself...