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If God, Allah, Yahweh know what we are going to do before we do it how can we be punished for it. Also how is that freewill? Sounds a lot like destiny to me. If it is destiny then that means no being no matter how powerful can possibly know what’s going to happen next. If that true then God either is a lie or is no where near as powerful as the bible claims, which would destroy the corner stone of all the major faiths. My heart says that god is real but my mind will not allow me to get past the whole freewill/destiny thing. So ATS what are your thoughts
Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by jmotley
God knows all paths to the choices we make. The choice is still up to us and God gave us freewill. God knows the outcome of every decision made but doesn't necessarily need to know your entire future in advance. He knows what mankind's destiny is as a whole but the individual person still has freedom of choice and creates his/her own personal destiny within the overall destiny of mankind.
If God does know the out come of every possible choice that we could ever make, That also means that he knows the path that we are going to take, that sounds a lot like destiny to me. If all of mankind has a destiny then that takes away our freewill. I'll use an example from the bible. In the endtimes God will send down 2 prophets after 70 days (if i remember correctly) they will be killed. Now this a destiny for the planet. this effects every single person on this earth. Lets just say that I am the one destined to kill them but I am dead set against murder also I realize that if they die then the rest of the prophecy is now able to continue. By your way of thinking I would have no choice in the matter of killing them. However i decided to try to get out of it this would come true. According to the bible it will be done and god in his ifinite wisdom already knows when, who, and how.
Now by this one act I have been stripped of all freewill. If this were to happen it would become clear that everything that happened to me my entire life was to prepare me for this. Now you tell me does that sound like freewill.
Obviously there is limits. You can choose to pursue a sport but you can not choose to be in the Olympics. You can, but that does not mean you will. You can be good at what you do but you are not very likely to get an invitation. This is a limited analogy because lots of people participate in the Olympics. That fact that they are there may have more to do with something beyond their will, such as a natural born ability. Like Phelps, the swimmer. He happens to have a perfect body for swimming. If he did not, and was very ordinary in his build, his wishing would not have won him any gold medals.
Originally posted by jmotley
reply to post by jmdewey60
You can not put limits on free will you either have it or you do not. Now there are things that happen outside of your relm of control but that does not put a limit on the amount of freewill that you have. If it is freewill then it's your choices that put you in the sitution that you are in now. If you you normally take rt 1 to go home but oday you decide to take rt 5 and you die in an accident was it just your time to go (destiny) or your choice that put you there (free will)
You make the choice to go left or right.
I guess what I'm getting at is when it comes to freewill vs destiny how can I be punished if God already knows what i am and am not going to do.