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Originally posted by Wimbly
Is he really that stupid?
Mr. Dean was speaking about the out and out lies that the far right is spewing in order to undermine actual debate. Did you some how miss the thread Bill (Skeptic Overlord) posted last week or so?
The Republican leadership has decided to go "all in," and now have their activist and lobbyists that support their pro corporate policies on high alert. They are actively trying to undermine any civil discourse, not just health care debate. That type of strategy of the end justifying the means is Machiavellian and has no place in American politics.
I'll quote S.O. here (and this comes from a lobbyist in D.C.):The Republicans Have Their Long-Knives Out: "Ever since the election, and for the foreseeable future, the Republicans only have one thing on their mind, screw Obama."
He said nothing else matters to them, not voters, and certainly not getting anything done
Do you not see that there is a difference in debate/disagreement/civil discourse, and outright lying/shouting/hyperbole? For the record, I am not for the Democrats version of health care, as it is currently being discussed. But I am all for having the discussion. And in my book, saying that undermining civil discourse is the same as undermining America itself is not only correct, it is the only intellectually honest response to such vile and childish behavior.
www.msnbc.msn.com... He only pointed out the the "Dangerous" nature of applauding a man who thinks its OK to label HIMSELF a terrorist. He called himself a TERRORIST. It may have been a joke, but it was a joke in poor taste and applauding such angry rhetoric is irresponsible at best, and is better labeled criminal negligence.
I'm all for posting your disagreements and airing grievances, but to everyday wake up and think of ways to bad mouth those with whom you disagree, that must be a sad existence indeed. Peace.
Now, let me ask you a question. If the men and women showing up a the town halls carrying rifles in protest and chanting about socialism were of Arabic descent, and were wearing traditional Muslim clothing, would you still support THEIR right to carry the assault rifles to the meetings
That's great, and good job fighting the good fight and denying ignorance. Except there's just one curious thing, all 47 of your threads have to do with bad mouthing Obama or MSNBC or both. Curious. I'm not saying that you joined right around the same time all the disinfo out of D.C. started in earnest, I'm just pointing out a coincidence.
However, it is obvious that you refuse to even question whether it is possible that your side is manipulating you as well. You are a true believer, and cannot be convinced otherwise. If this remains to be the case, further debate is unnecessary, because it will only result in pushing you further into your beliefs.
MATTHEWS: Next up, here's one from Republican Congressman Wally Herger of California. At his town hall meeting some guy yelled out, bragging that he was quote, "A proud right wing terrorist." To which the Congressman responded, "Amen. God bless ya! Now there's a great American." A great American. A guy who thinks it's okay, in this day and age, to call himself a right wing terrorist. This is the dangerous edge, in which these people, including some elected officials are now dancing. We've been here before. Words lead to actions, words create the national mood, the mood creates a license. People take that license and use it. I'm not spelling it out any further because I don't want to.
Originally posted by Wimbly
Last night on Hardball, Mathews reported that a man at a Republican Town Hall meeting stood up and said, "I'm a proud right wing terrorist". Mathews used this as evidence that the town hall protesters are actually terrorists.
Is he really that stupid? Does he really not know the guy was making fun of MSNBC's characterization of them?
[edit on 25-8-2009 by Wimbly]
If, as you say, I am under the wrong idea about what is legitimate debate, then why don't you give me an example of what you don't like about HC reform
other than what I have already said about the middle class, or the lies of SOCIALISM and DEATH PANELS. I hope you can
Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
I felt somewhat out of line referring to you as a "political hack" in my post above. So, I went and looked at your profile, and found that since just over a month ago (July 09), you have started 47 threads. www.abovetopsecret.com... That's great, and good job fighting the good fight and denying ignorance. Except there's just one curious thing, all 47 of your threads have to do with bad mouthing Obama or MSNBC or both. Curious. I'm not saying that you joined right around the same time all the disinfo out of D.C. started in earnest, I'm just pointing out a coincidence.
Originally posted by RRconservative
"I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration." Mrs. Bill Clinton
Not at all, I'm aware that everyone is trying to mislead me. I'm just not as interested in pointing out Fox's manipulation, considering the left as so much more influence and power in the media.
That's not quite right, as FOX news has been beating the pants off the other guys for quite some time now. www.huffingtonpost.com... I know its from Huffington Post, but the Nielson ratings it quotes are accurate to the best of my knowledge.
More resources as in if you combine the ratings for CNN and MSNBC, both of which are in love with Obama, then The ONE (The Obama News Entertainment) is pretty far ahead. Seeing as how Fox is the only conservative news network. Originally posted by jd140