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GOP flip flops, conservatives keep shut

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posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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For all the crys regarding how horrible the public option is, how "socialist" it is, the GOP, that lead these angry mobs to protest any such option by the government made a complete U-turn. Funnily enough, the angry conservative mobs, and many on this site have kept their mouths shut regarding the latest flop from the RNC. You know Iv heard alot of folks make all attempts to cleanse themselves of the GOP, "Im not a republican, im a conservative, Im fighting for the constitution", for all that talk right there it appears GOP loyalty is still right there on the top of list, and it should be well apparent by the silence in the room regarding the sudden "support" of medicare from the RNC, a socialized government run system. I see mobs with their torches standing infront of the DNC, the RNC stands clear. As much as I disagree with conservatives regardless of whether they are republican or not, it is rather tiring seeing hypocrites proclaim their independence then march down hand in hand with their favour republican politician, and totally disregard the flip flops.


The Republicans said they aimed to "protect Medicare and not cut it in the name of health-care reform," in a statement and an accompanying op-ed written by RNC Chairman Michael Steele and published in Monday's Washington Post.

The party also vowed to oppose any Democratic effort to ration care or to insert the government between seniors and their doctors.

online.wsj.com...

It should be well apparent that the silence regarding the complete flop is ever so confirming of where these opposers stand. I'd really like to see that mob go to RNC headquarters all around the nation and protest their sudden stance on another socialist government system, but ofcourse that aint ganna happen, because really this has nothing to do with socialized healthcare and everything to do with the elections, with the republican party, with good'ol Mr Bush Jnr, from what I only seem to hear folks, "was unfairly treated during his 8years".

The next time I hear another hypocrite tell me "we're not fighting for the republican party" I'll be happy tell them where the closest Republican offices are to them, gotta get early to the next anti-socialism mob fest.

SG




posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:47 AM
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Dude,

You're an angry, vocal liberal. We get it. Stop deluging ATS with this kind of crap and trying to pick fights with conservatives.

Why don't you go have a hug fest with Hunka Hunka at an illegal immigration rally.

Seriously man, enough.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:00 AM
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LOL

The GOP had nothing to do with the public anger and outcry that you see.

You lefties are tiring with your political bigotry.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by midnightbrigade
Dude,


Oh I apologize but I must have misheard. From sounds of that completely off topic personal attack, I didnt hear a single thing regarding the current stance of the GOP for socialized healthcare.

Seriously gutless. I tell ya I'd pay my bottom nickle to see you fellas actually take a stance against socialized healthcare instead of these petty attacks at the town halls and here online that have mostly nothing to do with healthcare. Are you capable of opposing all forms of socialized healthcare? Are you capable of doing so? I'd like to see you fellas with that mob of yours actually go down to DC and demand your politicians get taken off government healthcare, to get medicare completely taken off. Seriously, given the fact half these folks within these mobs are of age for medicare, boy it'd be something to see you fellas strip that away.

Iv said this before and I'll say it again, your either for some form of socialized healthcare or your not, period. Where do you stand?

[edit on 25-8-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974
LOL

The GOP had nothing to do with the public anger and outcry that you see.

You lefties are tiring with your political bigotry.


Yes and you must be raking in the overtime...

Come lately, post all day... Reminds me of JAMIE83, election time

SG...

Name and year...

My political bigotry is just warming up, maybe you will resign your post or press ignore.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by VinceP1974
LOL

The GOP had nothing to do with the public anger and outcry that you see.

You lefties are tiring with your political bigotry.


Yes and you must be raking in the overtime...

Come lately, post all day... Reminds me of JAMIE83, election time

SG...

Name and year...

My political bigotry is just warming up, maybe you will resign your post or press ignore.




Are you actually monitoring me? That's pretty screwed up.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by midnightbrigade
Dude,


Oh I apologize but I must have misheard. From sounds of that completely off topic personal attack, I didnt hear a single thing regarding the current stance of the GOP for socialized healthcare.

Seriously gutless. I tell ya I'd pay my bottom nickle to see you fellas actually take a stance against socialized healthcare instead of these petty attacks at the town halls that have mostly nothing to do with healthcare. Are you capable of opposing all forms of socialized healthcare? Are you capable of doing so? I'd like to see you fellas with that mob of yours actually go down to DC and demand your politicians get taken off government healthcare, to get medicare completely taken off. Seriously, given the fact half these folks within these mobs are of age for medicare, boy it'd be something to see you fellas strip that away.

Iv said this before and I'll say it again, your either for some form of socialized healthcare or your not, period. Where do you stand?

[edit on 25-8-2009 by Southern Guardian]


I agree, MAKE A FIRM STAND AGAINST THE SOCIALISMS...

Is a horse not a horse.

TOWN HALL THE DANGERS OF ALL UNPATRIOTICAL PROGRAMS!



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by VinceP1974
LOL

The GOP had nothing to do with the public anger and outcry that you see.

You lefties are tiring with your political bigotry.


Yes and you must be raking in the overtime...

Come lately, post all day... Reminds me of JAMIE83, election time

SG...

Name and year...

My political bigotry is just warming up, maybe you will resign your post or press ignore.




Are you actually monitoring me? That's pretty screwed up.


No I am thinking out loud...

We are in America, your free to do what you please and I am afforded to the same.
Plus I am to busy being jumped left and right to monitor anything... Post your heart out you're safe here, this is the enduring beauty of our country.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:48 AM
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reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Nice find.
From the article:

"Ronald Reagan proposed cutting $1 billion in Medicare spending while president in 1981, when the program cost just $40 billion a year."

Even the former president proposed $500 billion in Medicare cuts in his annual budget and the Republicans in office were supporting this.

The GOP opposition to the Dems plan is merely political no matter how much they scream and shout.

As usual it's all fear-mongering.


Originally posted by midnightbrigade
You're an angry, vocal liberal. We get it. Stop deluging ATS with this kind of crap and trying to pick fights with conservatives.

Why don't you go have a hug fest with Hunka Hunka at an illegal immigration rally.

Seriously man, enough.


Ad hominem:
–adjective

2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.


You even drag in and smear someone that hasn't even posted in this thread.
Talk about picking fights.



- Lee



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 03:14 AM
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Oh it was a personal attack, yet completely on topic. The fact is in nearly every one of your posts you are as militaristic and combative towards conservatives or Republicans as those "Town hallers" you love to hate. It's hypocritical, and completely unbalanced.

As for my stance, I'm completely for a socialized health care system. If voted for by the people and ONLY at the State level. That's why I voted for, supported and STILL support SoonerCare in my home state of Oklahoma. 10th amendment constraints should, and do apply to the Federal Government. Point of fact, according to the Constitution, socialized health care is not, simply put, the Fed's baby.

It shouldn't even be on their agenda according to the Constitution. Let alone be the third usurpation of States power in as many months. Unless the 10th amendment is stricken from the books because it was voted on and passed by the people, the Fed shouldn't even be considering it.

Furthermore, I ask a rhetorical question. What events in recent history have shown, or even come close to showing that the Fed has our best interests at heart. OR that they are even competent to perform such functions as healthcare distributors?

The "Cash for Clunkers" program (not healthcare of course, but another program pushed by the Fed with no true authority to do so) spent billions of dollars to increase automobile sales. This worked, but not as was planned. People traded in their American cars and SUV's and bought Japanese cars. What good did that program do to help the American automaker? None. It filled the already full coffers of foreign auto executives and arguably was a failure at what it was designed (and sold to us) to do.

As such, I submit that the Federal government (Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, Republican, Democrat) have NO authority nor any type of proven successful track record to provide our country with a health care system.

Before you go off on Medicare, Medicade, and the V.A. I'll say this. both the M&M's were enacted long before I was born and ask anyone who's been through the V.A., they are a joke. My father has been with the V.A. for many years now, as was my grandfather. They both despised it and from what I have seen of it I understand why.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by midnightbrigade To Southern Guardian
Dude,

You're an angry, vocal liberal. We get it. Stop deluging ATS with this kind of crap and trying to pick fights with conservatives.

Why don't you go have a hug fest with Hunka Hunka at an illegal immigration rally.

Seriously man, enough.


Truer words could not have spoken.

He was laughing at you. And ROTFLMAO. That is true pwn'ership.

I resigned my GOP.REG and am independent now. As many others have.

It's not fake. We don't care what the .GOP does. Just don't muscle in and try taking credit for Tea Party's ever again.

As more Democrats awake and become informed, we'll all be stronger and better America for joining together beyond your silly little rhetoric.

IND will start showing and people in the streets uniting under a decent representative for office. It will nullify the illegal results of the Diebold machines... because the number of people in the streets will tell otherwise.

Keep living in your divided little bubble. Bernake will be joining you there soon.


[edit on 8·25·09 by DrMattMaddix]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by midnightbrigade
Dude,

You're an angry, vocal liberal. We get it. Stop deluging ATS with this kind of crap and trying to pick fights with conservatives.

Why don't you go have a hug fest with Hunka Hunka at an illegal immigration rally.

Seriously man, enough.


So SG only gets to respond to the thread 35 angry, vocal conservative threads?
WE get it much more than you think...

Funny you mentioned the hug fest... SG, hunka hunka and I have plans
to go clubbing baby bald eagles, followed by a visit to comrade Lennons mummy, finally finishing off the trip raving with Osama in swinging London. But really, pick fight's???


Certainly we get it, but unlike many we don't come here to hear "yes" a million times over. This thread is pure, it has conviction and issues a challenge.

I want to see all those who STAND AGAINST socialism, stand against EXISTING forms
of such, NOW!



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:35 AM
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Through this entire reply of yours not once did you address the sheer hypocrisy of the GOP and the deafening silence from conservatives. Instead you continue to dodge what I addressed in the OP and instead go off on public healthcare as a whole. I didnt want to know your sudden stance, I wanted an explanation on the silence we all seem to notice.

Are you capable of addressing the sheer hypocrisy of those very republican politicians who paraded you around in opposition to the public option? Hows about you explain to me, if this movement crosses all lines, has nothing to do with the parties, why the silence from these mobs over the sudden GOP support for socialized healthcare?


Originally posted by midnightbrigade
Oh it was a personal attack, yet completely on topic.


On topic? How so? You were right for admitting it was personal, but how does this address the OP? Enlighten us here.


The fact is in nearly every one of your posts you are as militaristic


Militaristic? The way you fellas have been waving em' guns around like your incapable of living without them, incapable of holding an actual debate, its rather funny you call on me as "militaristic".


combative towards conservatives or Republicans

You stop coming to me waving your gun in my face then I wont have a problem. Maybe we "pinko commie liberals" wouldnt have to reply in the same manner.


As for my stance, I'm completely for a socialized health care system.


And yet you continue to support the mobs who oppose any form of socialized healthcare. I find this rather interesting, you are completely for socialized healthcare, and yet you parade around the very individuals who shoot it down as "commie". How does that work? Explain to us? I mean I know your issue here is that "it shouldnt be in the hands of feds" nevertheless you cheer on the entire argument against such a system. So, do you really support socialized healthcare, and do you think the GOP's change of stance on it was, rather hypocritical considering their opposition? Please address for us this matter.

Your clear reply would be much appreciated next time round.

SG



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by midnightbrigade
The "Cash for Clunkers" program


Not concerned about your issue with that matter in this thread.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:37 AM
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The reason for the flip flop is pretty obvious. Medicare is a popular program.

Republicans know that if they allow Democrats to pass a similar program for the entire country, it would be even more popular and that means more votes. It wouldn't, however, be popular with big insurance and big pharma.

For the majority of the Republicans (excluding the activist Ron Paul types), it has nothing to do with ideology or the constitution. It has to do with scratching the backs of the corporate lobby who keep the revolving door spinning.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by DrMattMaddix

He was laughing at you. And ROTFLMAO.


Why do you fellas insist on dodging this matter? I do not care about your personal issues with me or with anybody else, I care about what you have to address the OP. Can you keep on topic and address the OP? Am I incorrect in my observation? Are you capable of debating? Because if you well and truly believe socialized healthcare is a threat to this country you would have directly addressed my OP. All your proving by posting in such a manner is that this is "all a game to you".

You want me to take these mobs seriously, and yet you continue to play this as if it was some game? We have a serious problem in this country. 40 million folks off healthcare, if your born or have the misfortune to have a pre-existing condition, your f***ed in this country, you really are. So, with all the seriousness of howmuch of a threat this healthcare reform is, you know, commie, muslim take over and all that talk from you fellas, it be appreciated that you actually address the issue at hand.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by milesp
The reason for the flip flop is pretty obvious. Medicare is a popular program.


Bingo.


Republicans know that if they allow Democrats to pass a similar program for the entire country, it would be even more popular and that means more votes. It wouldn't, however, be popular with big insurance and big pharma.


My question is, why the deafening silence over the stance of the GOP? They outright further solidified their support towards another socialized federal healthcare system, and yet we dont hear a sound from these mobs, from the typical anti-reform suspects. Why are they silent over the current stance of the GOP? If these folks as so against socialized medicine, why dont we hear opposition regarding the flip-flop from the GOP?



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:02 AM
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I've stated my position as soon as I read the bill.

I inspected the bill to reject any flaws within it. I found many very quickly.

Those that need persuading at this point have inspected the bill to accept it; regardless of any detriment to the rest of America it poses.

If the bill passes as Democrats are considering the 'nuclear option'; heads will roll.

If not sooner than 2010.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian


Seriously gutless. I tell ya I'd pay my bottom nickle to see you fellas actually take a stance against socialized healthcare instead of these petty attacks at the town halls that have mostly nothing to do with healthcare. Are you capable of opposing all forms of socialized healthcare


First off, and let me make this very clear, not all conservatives are against socialized health care. You are basing the premise of your rant on absolutes.


Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Iv said this before and I'll say it again, your either for some form of socialized healthcare or your not, period. Where do you stand?


This is lockstep with George Bush and his "You are with us or against us." speech. You make this statement as if Medicare were a justification for Obamacare. It is not.

We do not have to live by an all or nothing standard so that you can have a viable argument for your idea of what health care is, or should be.


Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Where do you stand?


I stand AGAINST a government program that will go backwards instead of forwards. It will reduce care for existing programs, cost more accomplish less and give another large piece of control our gdp to people who have no right or even ability to handle it. This is not about socialized healthcare it is about exercising more and more control on the people without their consent.

We do not consent to piracy in the name of Health.



[edit on 063131p://f11Tuesday by badgerprints]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by badgerprints
First off, and let me make this very clear, not all conservatives are against socialized health care.


My OP was addressed to those anti-reform conservatives who oppose any form of socialized healthcare, I am addressing their silence. Now I dont know how many pro-socialized healthcare conservatives there, they have certainly been quiet I tell ya, until this very thread, but my OP is addressed to anti-socialized healthcare individuals. Their silence is my argument.

So, not concerned about your sudden stance of socialized healthcare, Im concerned about the hypocrisy from anti-reformist, so if you could actually address the OP, would be much appreciated.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by Southern Guardian]



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