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Our military's 50yrs ahead of everyone else, why don't we fix our economy now?

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posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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Hello People:

Ben Rich, the now deceased president/founder of Lockheed, admitted to James Goodall the following info 10 days before he died. (James Goodall is an "aviation expert" writer and had a close relationship with Ben Rich.) Mr. Rich confessed to Mr. Goodall that the U.S. is 50+ years ahead in technology of anything the people know about. He even went so far as to say "if you've eve seen it on 'Star Trek' or most any other sci-fi movie", the U.S. has that same technology, all of it.

It sounds kinda out there, doesn't it? But keep in mind, Ben Rich probably knew more about our military capabilities than our last several Presidents put together. Don't even ask why, we the people, don't know about this as it's obvious. We don't wanna use "super-technology" and risk losing it on the battlefield for a potential enemy to get their hands on it and reverse engineer it.

Now, to the point of my title. Considering the state of the country and our economy right now, Why Are We Continuing to Spend More Money on Our Military Than The Rest of the World???????

Can't we take a small break for a few years and spend those trillions of military R&D dollars to help our country? (If we weren't so far militarily advanced, I could understand.) Feel free to tell me how stupid I am now.........
Peace,
Warrior for our Constitution-CBS




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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That's on oxymoron. Because a huge part of our economy is military industry. If there were no wars and we didn't have the huge imperialistic military we have even MORE people would be out of work and our economy would suffer yet again. The US economy is an evil house of cards. Capitalism left the building DECADES AGO!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by CBS01
He even went so far as to say "if you've eve seen it on 'Star Trek' or most any other sci-fi movie", the U.S. has that same technology, all of it.



Wait, we have warp speed?

Doesn't that mean we're supposed to be entered into the galactic federation or something?

Seriously though, we do spend far too much money in the already bloated military industrial complex. However, it seems that people don't really have a problem with that. What they really have a problem with is investing some of that money into the private sector.

God forbid we lose our ability to shoot laser guided missiles down from space, but the second you want to help out the poor you're a commie socialist bastard.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Interesting poll for this thread

Pro


People often talk about the military and defense industries as if they existed in a bubble outside our everyday lives. The truth is that our armed forces and the businesses and infrastructure that support them play a central, integrated and vital role in our society.


Con


The numbers are almost too outrageous to be believed, but the hard truth is that these days the United States spends as much on its military as every other country in the world combined does. This is despite the fact that Americans account for less than 5 percent of the world’s population.


www.kqed.org...



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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I whole heartedly agree. The major problem, as stated above, is that the Military is one of the only things we still build here, and if we stopped spending on the military, there would be more layoffs.

What I would propose is not to cut spending, but to spend differently. If they can make the F-22 almost invisible, they can make a battery that would make electric cars truly feasible. If they can make laser guided missiles, why can't they make a real light rail line to transport goods and people to cut done on the trucks on the freeways. If Obama really wanted to create universal health care without increasing the deficit, why not try the type of plan Hillary purposed... open up the health benefits that federal employees get from private insurance companies to anyone who wants them and subsidized it. Hillary's plan would have cost $100 Billion a year. Cut military spending by that amount and bingo, health care without a public option and no additional deficit.

Sounds easy, but try to get a congressman who would loss a federal military contact in his district to agree.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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Advanced technology is not the solution- it is the problem.

If you do not pay your workers enough to afford the products they produce, they will not buy them. And if people overseas don't want them either, well, your industry just died.

Advanced tech products cost more than an old farm truck. But more importantly, advanced tech increases productivity.

Productivity is making more trucks with less workers and more robots.

But robots don't buy trucks.

So increased complexity of products and the move towards automated production have doomed the American economy.

The only way out is to increase artisan handiwork and return to simpler products.

Another famous Skunkworks saying from the Boss was,

KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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If we saw it on star trek then we have it?

Better not let the public get their hands on the transporter technology. It would kill the automotive and airline industry.

Why are we not using those things that make food out of nothing? We could feed the world with that technology. Just get a starving African kid and have him tell the computer what he wants and BOOM he has his favorite dish in 2 seconds.

When do you think they will let the public know that we have harnassed the power of dark matter? You know the stuff that runs the Enterprise.

Did he just tell us that we have UFO's? The enterprise is a massive UFO. Do we have one of those too?



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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Mabey in some ways the military is 50 years advance. Weapon wise. Medical wise not a chance. mabey 5-10 years def not 50. If they "were" 50 years ahead in almost all fields of tech. They probally woulden't age with all theese new anti-aging staying young drugs im hearing about haha. Look at all the people in the military generals ect... They dont look healthy to me. Just stressed out guys. But what do I know



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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Your country simply isn't that advanced - except in conspiracy forums like this. Russia always had the wood over you, still does, beat you to almost every single punch, like or not - just not that advanced.

Now Asia is literally streets ahead - the only thing America can produce which is MORE advanced is SECRET - riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

But no one else has secrets - no only America.....pfffffffffffffft!!!



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by audas
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Your country simply isn't that advanced - except in conspiracy forums like this. Russia always had the wood over you, still does, beat you to almost every single punch, like or not - just not that advanced.

Now Asia is literally streets ahead - the only thing America can produce which is MORE advanced is SECRET - riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

But no one else has secrets - no only America.....pfffffffffffffft!!!


Yea... like you have any clue what you are talking about.

The truth is none of us know what any country is truly capable of.

The OP was using the statements of one man to ask a hypothetical question as to why we pour so much money into our military, and his question is a valid one even if we are not 50 years ahead of other nations.

Can you give me examples of other countries "secret" technology that is more advanced than America's "secret" technology?

I didn't think so...



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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I think you are way off on the Russians. They've been a copy-cat military - copying what others produce first. But I don't believe that we are anywhere close to 50 years ahead these days. I think the Chinese aren't too far behind.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:29 AM
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Yeah forgot to mention that. There is no way we are 50 years ahead of anyone. That's absolutely ridiculous and perilously naive to think so. Technology and innovation moves at breakneck speeds these days, especially with the internet and global economy. I'd argue we are at most a decade ahead of other countries and we will lose ground if we keep our ship pointed in the direction it is now. Russia has vast amounts of natural resources. China is building natural resource alliances and brokering deals all over the world. They have no enemies only trading partners.

Jefferson had it right.......trade with all alliances with none.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:33 AM
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Simple question - why don't we?

I don't think the people pulling the strings want that right now. I hate to be the cynic, but the world is systematically falling apart at the seams.

Of course they could fix it, and probably overnight. But, I have $5 that says they won't until they have everything the way they want it first. Pop. reduction, sterilization, complete control over every faction of our lives.

Oil, war, and banking are the big three $ makers in the world.

War - makes a lot of cash, keeps a lot of people on the payroll (God, I hate to think of it that way, but it's true, it's a corporation that employs), and reduces population.

For those 3 reasons, the war machine won't be going anywhere any time soon. Unfortunately.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:00 AM
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I believe everyone who replies to a post deserves a response back, unfortunately, it's almost 2:00AM where I live and my wife's calling me to bed. So it'll be tomorrow afternoon before I can get back to ya. Night, night....
Peace,
CBS-Warrior for the Constitution



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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finemanm:
You were absolutely correct in your point of diverting the military money spent to other areas. I failed to point that out. I'd suggest we divert the money saved to creating new jobs and then paying off some of our debt with the rest. Plus just imagine, most of the Lockheed, Boeing, Martin-Marietta, etc. military type jobs are high paying. If we could cut that pay in half for example with new jobs, we could create twice as many new jobs. That would really help out a lot of people. Granted, the jobs may only allow people to afford the basics of life. But, a dependable used car, food in the cabinets, being able to pay your bills, and an occasional reward to one's self is a dream come true for a lot of people out there. Unfortunately. Thanks for your reply.
Peace,
Constitutional Warrior-CBS



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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audas:
Just re-read what TV_Nation had to say. Whatever country you're from, do you even have "stealth" technology yet? If it wasn't for Iraq, no one would even know we have that.
Peace,
CBS



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 09:33 PM
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jam321:
All your points were very much accurate. So accurate that all I can do is agree with you.
Peace,
CBS



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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TV_Nation:
Thanks for "taking my back" until I could get back with responses, you're a cool dude.

Peace,
CBS-Warrior for the Constitution



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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Dont mind audus, he is a US/Israel hating, palestinian supporting ATSer. If you ever go to the anti-Israel threads on this board, you'll probably find a hateful post by audus.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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People:

Some of you have put me in a difficult position in responding to Ben Rich's "50yrs ahead......" statement. I don't know if he was completely serious, generalizing, or what. But, I will leave you with this thought on the subject. We either have shltloads of UFO's coming and going as they please on our planet. Or, our military has some pretty advanced aircraft flying around doing some Amazing aerial shlt. Could be a combination of both? But I know one thing, there's no other country that has the resources, personnel, and perseverance to make anything like people all over the world have been seeing. OK, maybe Cameroon could do it, but I just don't think so.

Peace Everyone,
CBS-Constitutional Warrior



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