The Christian Right: America's version of the Taliban!

Originally posted by open_eyeballs
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

Being the agnostic I am, I find it hard to believe Christians will be able to vote any rights out from under us.

Me iz also part of the agnostic non-prophet organization.

However, as far as influence, please consider the following:

The Family (Christian political organization)
The Political Enclave That Dare Not Speak Its Name
Sex and power inside "the C Street House"

There is much that goes on within our government (not just from the above btw. as we know other religions have their hands in it too) to corrupt the fundamental separation of church and state.

And the right to said separation was never voted away from as you said "right under us," it has simply eroded away due to social apathy and the ever present push to deify secular society.

[edit on 25 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by schrodingers dog

Me iz also part of the agnostic non-prophet organization.

Right right. Key phrase there "non-prophet"... and "non-profit"

Funny how that works eh? No savior... no tithe...or savior fee...

But in regards to your "erode away" comment, I think there is an argument on both sides for this. Both sides see the other side as an encroachment on the traditions of our forefathers.

If I may, I would like to quote myself from another thread that went into God in government..

I would like to address one point made concerning 'God' in our government and schools and what not...

I believe there is a simple answer to this debate of whether or not 'God' should be included in our schools and government.

If they wish to acknowledge God in school or the government...as an agnostic, I have no qualms with such recognitions.

The simple answer to this is God should not be defined by a belief system.

I say to any athiest, what harm does it do to you if there is a moment of silence for those who wish to express their beliefs in a non intrusive way such as prayer?

What harm does it do to you if the word God appears on money? It appears in the constitution. But again it is not defined. It does not say God of the Bible. Nor does it say God of the Jews or God(s) of the pagans.

These are harmless acts and anyone to be outraged over such acts are foolish for wishing to impose your beliefs on everyone else.

From the words of Thomas Jefferson:

It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket for my neighbor to believe in twenty Gods or one God

In accordance to my beliefs, the government has no right to recognize one religion over another, and therefore the word God should remain undefined (as I mentioned earlier).

Once they recognize God is a certain entity in the likeness of a certain religions beliefs is the day the government has gone to far, and will be the day I stand up and say: No Deal...

One last thing I would like to say regarding why God did not intervene in Katrina or any other human affair for that matter is 1) It is moot for me because I do not believe in "Divine Intervention"..

2) Just because people have pushed for God to be out of these elements of society ploays no part in the personal relationships betwen "God" and His followers.

What would God care if he plays a role in government and other man made institutions?

From everything I know and understand about religion, and according to many Christians beliefs the only place God cares about living is in your heart...And developing the personal relationship between Him and His follower. All the rest is unimportant tangents.

And ones personl relationship with God has nothing to do with government, schools or any other man made institution for that matter...

So the religious people have to ask themselves: what matters? Are they going to follow their teachings and work on their persoanl relationship with their 'God' or are they going to worry about whether or not everyone else believs as they do?

I would say stick with the teachings you are meant to follow and let the other stuff fall into place on their own or through the workings of 'God'.

There has to be some give and take with this situation...Just as the way the authors of the constitution intended there to be...

As for Christian politicians wishing to impose Christianity on the rest of us...well I just cant honestly say I have seen much evidence in it...

Not saying there arent agendas ou tthere to do so..Certainly there is plenty of evidence for such agendas. ATS even showcased a video on it a while back...

Those that do wish making the ten commandments law and replacing the constitution with the Bible...well...

A great case of a loony tune is the nicest thing I can bring myself to say about such notions...Wont happen in a million years...

I can easily say I dont feel threatened in the least about Christinas imposing their beliefs on teh rest of us the way the Taliban did to the Afhganny people...

But I have never lived in the Bible belt either...I could imagine there is a certain amount of peer pressure regarding Christianity...poor saps...

edit for typos..

Ohh..just thought you might like this joke..

What Do You Call A Dyslexic Agnostic Insomniac ?

Someone who lies awake all night wondering if there really is a DOG.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by open_eyeballs]

Originally posted by jitombe
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

The Christian Right has way too much influence in Congress but that's because they actually vote in elections (that are most likely rigged anyway). I'd also like to mention that I would much rather live in the U.S. and not in Afghanistan. The Taliban doesn't believe in any type of freedom of religion and will execute you on the spot if you disagree with them. The Christian Right should get their own country, let them have their silly hypocritical laws and morals. I would like to live in the U.S. that has swearing and nudity on public tv day/night, a country that's no so uptight about everything. Either that or I could move to Europe.

I can see only one benefit that they'd bring to the table.
Preventing mandatory RFID chips.
Dont get me wrong, I hate the Christian Right, but without them I'm afraid that when the US brings in mandatory RFID then Canada comes next and then we're all #ed.
lol don't mind me, I just think that that's their only use and I am deathly afraid of those chips.

Here's an example of how the Religious Right is EXACTLY like the Taliban!

You want to know who the biggest hypocrite in the world is? The biggest hypocrite in the world is the person who believes in the death penalty for murderers and not for homosexuals. Hypocrite. The same God who instituted the death penalty for murderers is the same God who instituted the death penalty for rapists and for homosexuals - sodomites, queers! That's what it was instituted for, okay? That's God, he hasn't changed. Oh, God doesn't feel that way in the New Testament ... God never "felt" anything about it, he commanded it and said they should be taken out and killed.

(more)

Steven L. Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, AZ

The only thing stopping homegrown religious extremists like this douchebag is the rule of law and the Constitution. If they become the majority, on the other hand, it will only be a matter of time before the laws and the Constitution are changed to suit their needs.

It is plainly obvious that the poster is gay and is mad that he can't be married to his lover from reading his posts. You don't need a license to be married. The bible actually condemns the act of licensing. Its nothing more then a tax and involving the government into a relationship that they have no right to be in. I love how the government makes something illegal then makes you get a license to do it. Florida just outlawed fishing from the beach unless you have a license. Dude just go before God and marry your lover. I as a Christian don't care as long as you don't affect me.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


Here's something you might find relevant:

Polls show atheists on the rise in America

The these two sided coins work though is that as one side gains traction the other pushes further into extremism to compensate.

reply to post by ColdSteel


Me thinks you assume too much. Since I don't remember the last time I had sex, and I'm very happily single, sexual orientation is a moot point. I am however a firm believer in the principles of the Constitution, and the freedom of the individual to decide for themselves what to believe and what not to believe.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


If even 1% of the Christian population felt that way, I might be concerned for America.
Until then, not so much.

This thread got me thinking; who could be said to be the most extreme Christians or Christian movements, etc? I hold that nothing major can really be compared to the Taliban (only fringe cults and a few disturbed individuals..see my post on page 1). Nevertheless, there are some Christians who could be labeled truly "extreme" in one way or another.

Not in any particular order, then:

Theonomic reconstructionism (Some of the absolute most extreme of all may opearte at the fringes of this area)
Charismatic extremists
"The Family" (this one is particularly troubling: deep Senate and White House ties
The Children of God
The FLDS Chrch
Dominionisim and Rushdoony
Christian Identity
Fred Phelps

The next "tier down" from these groups and philosophies are the various out-and-out cults, mostly gone or dwindled...David Koreh's group, the Moonies, Jim Jones and the People's Temple, the Manson family, etc. Maany of these types aren 't even fully "Christians:" Their doctrines are usually too bizzare and centered around cult-worship of the leader, and they don't hesitiaate to blend non-Christian religions or use whatever is at hand to get power and money.

[edit on 8/27/09 by silent thunder]

reply to post by TruthParadox

"Just be thankful the majority is Christian and not Nazi"

If the christians could get away with witch and fag burnings today as in the past you can bet your patooty they would.

reply to post by liveandlearn

If you want to be president of the US, you must claim to be christian.

No. What you must do is support israhell.
No one gets to be in power that doesn't lick AIPACs feet.

reply to post by detachedindividual

ou don't like gay people? Fine, don't be gay!
You don't like divorce? Fine, don't ever get divorced.
You don't like porn? Fine, you don't have to watch it.
You don't like other religions? Fine, don't pay any attention.

See how easy it is to mind your own freakin' business?

They do it because they have their lives in order, everything is under control, and have extra energy left over to butt into your business.
They are just trying to be helpful.

The examples you list are done by those "christians" who do the exact same things you list. They get divorced, or are gay, or addicted to porn, etc.

Look, you can't force people to live by your standards. Even "christians" don't live up to Christian standards. Their idea of the Christian life is "Do as I say, not as I do".

Originally posted by infolurker
In the 70's we sang Christmas songs in school... yeah, even Christian ones (Christmas, get it.. a religious holiday). The city's Christmas ornaments (Many Christian symbols) and public manger scene were a yearly event. There was no X-mas nonsense.

To be fair, Christian zealots brought this on themselves. If they had continued to practice their religion without imposing it on everyone and trying (and succeeding) to force religious beliefs into law, they wouldn't have received the rise in anti-Christian action you describe. Your paragraph above describes a REACTION to the aggressive Christian attitude that everyone in this country must behave the same way and carry the same beliefs that they choose to behave and believe.

The reality is that people don't want to be forced to behave or believe in a way that they have not chosen for themselves.

This is a secular nation, as the OP points out. And if Christians weren't so intent on making this a religious nation, whose laws are based on religion, I don't believe any of your complaints would be valid.

Most of them aren't valid as it is... You are free to sing Christmas songs and have your holiday be as religious as you want. You can say Merry Christmas 24 hours a day if you like. But because the public, government-sponsored schools don't bow down to your religion, you claim you are being suppressed... That's ridiculous! It's about time religious practices are taken out of the government. Practice your religion at home, in your church and wherever else you want, But don't FORCE it on other people as it has been for the past couple hundred years and you'll find that people won't have the negative reaction to it.