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Originally posted by open_eyeballs
reply to post by JaxonRoberts
Being the agnostic I am, I find it hard to believe Christians will be able to vote any rights out from under us.
Me iz also part of the agnostic non-prophet organization.
I would like to address one point made concerning 'God' in our government and schools and what not...
I believe there is a simple answer to this debate of whether or not 'God' should be included in our schools and government.
If they wish to acknowledge God in school or the government...as an agnostic, I have no qualms with such recognitions.
The simple answer to this is God should not be defined by a belief system.
I say to any athiest, what harm does it do to you if there is a moment of silence for those who wish to express their beliefs in a non intrusive way such as prayer?
What harm does it do to you if the word God appears on money? It appears in the constitution. But again it is not defined. It does not say God of the Bible. Nor does it say God of the Jews or God(s) of the pagans.
These are harmless acts and anyone to be outraged over such acts are foolish for wishing to impose your beliefs on everyone else.
From the words of Thomas Jefferson:
It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket for my neighbor to believe in twenty Gods or one God
In accordance to my beliefs, the government has no right to recognize one religion over another, and therefore the word God should remain undefined (as I mentioned earlier).
Once they recognize God is a certain entity in the likeness of a certain religions beliefs is the day the government has gone to far, and will be the day I stand up and say: No Deal...
One last thing I would like to say regarding why God did not intervene in Katrina or any other human affair for that matter is 1) It is moot for me because I do not believe in "Divine Intervention"..
2) Just because people have pushed for God to be out of these elements of society ploays no part in the personal relationships betwen "God" and His followers.
What would God care if he plays a role in government and other man made institutions?
From everything I know and understand about religion, and according to many Christians beliefs the only place God cares about living is in your heart...And developing the personal relationship between Him and His follower. All the rest is unimportant tangents.
And ones personl relationship with God has nothing to do with government, schools or any other man made institution for that matter...
So the religious people have to ask themselves: what matters? Are they going to follow their teachings and work on their persoanl relationship with their 'God' or are they going to worry about whether or not everyone else believs as they do?
I would say stick with the teachings you are meant to follow and let the other stuff fall into place on their own or through the workings of 'God'.
There has to be some give and take with this situation...Just as the way the authors of the constitution intended there to be...
What Do You Call A Dyslexic Agnostic Insomniac ?
Someone who lies awake all night wondering if there really is a DOG.
Originally posted by jitombe
reply to post by JaxonRoberts
The Christian Right has way too much influence in Congress but that's because they actually vote in elections (that are most likely rigged anyway). I'd also like to mention that I would much rather live in the U.S. and not in Afghanistan. The Taliban doesn't believe in any type of freedom of religion and will execute you on the spot if you disagree with them. The Christian Right should get their own country, let them have their silly hypocritical laws and morals. I would like to live in the U.S. that has swearing and nudity on public tv day/night, a country that's no so uptight about everything. Either that or I could move to Europe.
You want to know who the biggest hypocrite in the world is? The biggest hypocrite in the world is the person who believes in the death penalty for murderers and not for homosexuals. Hypocrite. The same God who instituted the death penalty for murderers is the same God who instituted the death penalty for rapists and for homosexuals - sodomites, queers! That's what it was instituted for, okay? That's God, he hasn't changed. Oh, God doesn't feel that way in the New Testament ... God never "felt" anything about it, he commanded it and said they should be taken out and killed.
If you want to be president of the US, you must claim to be christian.
ou don't like gay people? Fine, don't be gay!
You don't like divorce? Fine, don't ever get divorced.
You don't like porn? Fine, you don't have to watch it.
You don't like other religions? Fine, don't pay any attention.
See how easy it is to mind your own freakin' business?
Originally posted by infolurker
In the 70's we sang Christmas songs in school... yeah, even Christian ones (Christmas, get it.. a religious holiday). The city's Christmas ornaments (Many Christian symbols) and public manger scene were a yearly event. There was no X-mas nonsense.