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The Christian Right: America's version of the Taliban!

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posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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I was born in a secular nation with a firm belief in the seperation of Church and State. Then came Ronald Reagan and the addition of the Christian Right to the Republican Party. Now I live in a nation where religious principles are forced down the throat of those who do not believe the same as the 'majority'. I now live in a nation where the Christian majority takes pride in voting away the rights of other citizens (Prop 8, anyone?). I now live in a nation where many are under the false impression that this is a 'Christian Nation'. I now live in a nation where some feel someone is unqualified to be President just because they do not have a Christian name (even though they are a practicing Christian).

It's now only a matter of time until the rights of non-Christians are completly voted away. It's now only a matter of time until those who do not embrace Christian values are imprisoned (or worse).

This nation is becoming exactly what our forefathers came here to escape. The ironic thing is that Europe has become exactly what our forefathers were trying to create here, secular democracies.

Will the last TRUE American Patriot please bring the flag when they kick us all out of their new Christian Theocracy!!!




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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I wish I could say that I disagreed with you.

I wish I could say that the US is not quite as bad as you have put it.

I wish I could say that the forefathers are not rolling around in their graves.

You put it best, I don't think anyone could rationally argue with you. Just look at how violently people responded to the mere rumors that our president is some sort of 'closet Muslim'. It shouldn't even matter anymore. The fact that a nation that is as 'free' as ours basically requires any leader to be of the Christian faith or they will be ousted by angry mobs wielding torches and pitchforks really shows how far we've fallen.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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We should just bomb the hell out of ourselves.

The left are Nazis.

The christian right are the Taliban.

Drop a big freakin bomb on me now. It would be less painful.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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OK, what reality are you from? Over the last 30 years I have seen nothing but the erosion of Christianity in the United States.

In the 70's we sang Christmas songs in school... yeah, even Christian ones (Christmas, get it.. a religious holiday). The city's Christmas ornaments (Many Christian symbols) and public manger scene were a yearly event. There was no X-mas nonsense. Every Morning we stood and recited the "pledge of allegiance" to the Flag that was in the classroom and it wasn't illegal to say God, Jesus, or anything else.

Today this is not so, The ACLU sues anything and everybody to make sure of that.

TV - You couldn't swear on TV, Damn was a bad word, Now look at today where you have sex scenes on soaps and TV shows like DJ & The Fro on daytime TV.

Morals and ethics have been so eroded they are not recognizable.


So, what reality are you from because everything that has changed has migrated to the pro - secular / atheist way.





[edit on 24-8-2009 by infolurker]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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Someone saying they are a christian does not make them a 'practicing' christian.

Just as Bush, he only mouths the words and claims to support Israel.

If you want to be president of the US, you must claim to be christian. Like many christians it is only for looks.

I am a former christian and know a true one when I see one. Obama is not one.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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Yeah, the Christian Right / Taliban comparison is definitely fair and realistic.

Americans have it AT LEAST as tough as the Afghanis did under Taliban rule.

I, for one, propose sending aid to the Yanks as soon as possible in the form of a friendly invasion.




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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It's now only a matter of time until the rights of non-Christians are completly voted away.

This really makes me wonder about your avatar.

Where are you getting this notion from?

If anything it is the other way around.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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Really... Where have you had your head during the recent 'Defense of Marriage' debate??? Where did you have your head during the election last year? Just wondering...



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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I don't know why you feel the need to attack Christians, since Obama claims to be one.

Is he a part of the Christian Taliban too?

OH he would be part of the Christian left, whatever that is.

[edit on 113131p://bMonday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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You are right - America has absolutely gone to crap. The worst element is the right to say what ever one wants - true - and that disrespecting what ever I say is against my rights - whaaaaaaaaaaaaat !? FALSE.

Americans are now littered with absolute IDIOTS of the highest order (electricUniverse is a case in point) - and these idiots simply think they can say whatever crack pot moronic asinine fatuous feckless thing that comes into their mind and it must be true cause they thunk it.

Actually understanding issues, theory, history is irrelevant - just sprout crap.

But back to your point - yes there is no difference in my mind between religious indoctrination occurring in the US and that in emerging nations such as Afghanistan - the level of intellect is about the same,



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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I think the Christian right is trying to save this country from becoming some totally immoral nation where we are expected to tolerate everyone elses behavior even if it is scientifically proven to be unhealthy.

Just think about where the work ethic has gone in this country or the concept of personal responsibility. Now we live in a country where somehow you are accuesed of hating everyone because you wont tolerate their behavior, even though it is a drain on society.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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I think that the Christian Right is trying to decide what is moral and what is not for everyone else. Now while we can all agree on some things, such as murder, robbery, rape, etc., there are other things, such as who can and cannot enter into the legal contract of marriage, who is capable of raising an unwanted child and who is not, who is an acceptable public servant and who is not. This whole notion that only the religious have morals is just plain ludicrious.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by HotDogNoBun
I think the Christian right is trying to save this country from becoming some totally immoral nation where we are expected to tolerate everyone elses behavior even if it is scientifically proven to be unhealthy.

Just think about where the work ethic has gone in this country or the concept of personal responsibility. Now we live in a country where somehow you are accuesed of hating everyone because you wont tolerate their behavior, even though it is a drain on society.


What does science or work ethic have to do with religion ? The bible has a set of morals, as does ethics, why are the bibles morals any more relevant than those of mine ?



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:08 AM
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The Christian Right has way too much influence in Congress but that's because they actually vote in elections (that are most likely rigged anyway). I'd also like to mention that I would much rather live in the U.S. and not in Afghanistan. The Taliban doesn't believe in any type of freedom of religion and will execute you on the spot if you disagree with them. The Christian Right should get their own country, let them have their silly hypocritical laws and morals. I would like to live in the U.S. that has swearing and nudity on public tv day/night, a country that's no so uptight about everything. Either that or I could move to Europe.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:22 AM
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Being the agnostic I am, I find it hard to believe Christians will be able to vote any rights out from under us. I woud consider most Christians as good, rational and intelligent people that want nothing more than fairness for all of us in society just as the rest of us do.

Also, I dont think it is fair to generalize by just saying Christians. Indeed, there is extremism in every religion, including Christianity, but just as it would not be fair to label all muslims extreme..there needs to be made the distinction that some Christians are Americas version of the Taliban...as it was mentioned earlier (whatup audas)...

Oh, in regards to the marriage act...lets think about what happened in Cali...All the Dems (usually left wing liberals) went out and did their best to get the minorities to vote... right? They all wanted them to vote for Obama...right?

So, when these minorities went to the voting booth to cast their vote, what else did they vote on? Gay marriage... right?

OK..now lets think about who the minorities are and what beliefs they consist of...black people...have a long hostory in the baptist faith...mexicans...have a long history in the catholic faith...When I was growing up and went to my Christian schools in California...pretty much all my friends were either black or mexican...all were either catholic or baptist...I seriously can not remember one that wasnt either one or the other...besides my white friends...who were usually non denominational...

What do catholic and baptists believe? Being gay is evil...or at the very least a sin in the eyes of God..

What did the dems/ liberals pushing both Obama and the gay marriage act think was going to happen when they went vote hunting?

They got obama, but shot themselves in teh foot when ti came to passing the gay marriage law...

To me... it was kind of funny...it was like one big giant backfire...hey, theres always next time though, right?

disclaimer:

I have no issue with gays who wish to be married. My stance has always been it is no business of the government. It is between two people and the church/ officiate...

What does the government or anyone else care anyway? Is the government going to hell for "allowing" it or something? ...



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by HotDogNoBun
I think the Christian right is trying to save this country from becoming some totally immoral nation where we are expected to tolerate everyone elses behavior even if it is scientifically proven to be unhealthy.


WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU?

How does a gay couple being in a legal union (for instance) affect your life? It doesn't unless you are gay!

This is precisely the problem, and it's not only in America, this problem exists in every country where religious control freaks want to make demands on the rest of society. Just as the Taliban do in Afghanistan.

The Christian control freaks of this world are the ones who should be "tolerated" by the rest of society; but we placate them, we often smile and nod along while they spout bile and hatred and try to force through laws in governance that damage the freedom of the rest of society, and we absolutely shouldn't allow them to get away with it.

You don't like gay people? Fine, don't be gay!
You don't like divorce? Fine, don't ever get divorced.
You don't like porn? Fine, you don't have to watch it.
You don't like other religions? Fine, don't pay any attention.

See how easy it is to mind your own freakin' business?






posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
I was born in a secular nation with a firm belief in the seperation of Church and State. Then came Ronald Reagan and the addition of the Christian Right to the Republican Party. Now I live in a nation where religious principles are forced down the throat of those who do not believe the same as the 'majority'. I now live in a nation where the Christian majority takes pride in voting away the rights of other citizens (Prop 8, anyone?). I now live in a nation where many are under the false impression that this is a 'Christian Nation'. I now live in a nation where some feel someone is unqualified to be President just because they do not have a Christian name (even though they are a practicing Christian).


These problems didn't spring out of nowhere. In fact, America is becoming less and less Christian and more atheist (to lazy to find the polls). But even so there are far more Christian than atheists.
America is a (so called) democracy. In theory that means majority rules.
Just be thankful the majority is Christian and not Nazi
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
It's now only a matter of time until the rights of non-Christians are completly voted away. It's now only a matter of time until those who do not embrace Christian values are imprisoned (or worse).


That would go against everything the conservative Christian Right believes in.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 03:19 AM
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I know a bit about the Taliban and nothing in the civilized world can compare. did you know they recently ruled its legal for a man to starve his wife to death? In their heyday, they'd fill up what used to be a soccer stadium with "fans" while they machine-gunned "infidels" to death in public and people cheered as they got spattered with gore. They outlawed mellons because they "might remind someone of the femle breast."

Ever seen a full-on Burqa, with only mesh over the eyes? I have. We aren't talking dainty little Iran-style headscarve veils here...the Taliban Burqa is like a walking human oven.

There are nutty Christians like Fred Phelps, or look into "Dominionism." But there is NOTHING even remotely like the Taliban in the Western world, uness maybe in a few serial-killers' basements or something.

Just sayin'.


[edit on 8/25/09 by silent thunder]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:29 AM
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I think a better analogy would be "The Christian Reconstructionists: America's Version of the the Taliban!" There are some reconstructionists on the Christian Right (I prefer the term Religious Right since there are also some Jews and Muslims that belong there), but I would not characterize the regular Christian "Righter" as a Talibani - at least not yet.

Peace,
Daniel

[edit on 25-8-2009 by pdpayne0418]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:19 PM
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Perhaps your definition would be more accurate. I do wish to state that I do not lump all Christians into this category (Christian Right), just as not all Muslims are members of the Taliban or are Islamic Extremists. I would also state that the 'Reconstructionists' are not using the same extreme measures (yet) that the Taliban uses, but the mindset is the same. It's a 'I'm right and you are wrong and you must conform to my beliefs' mindset.



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