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reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 10:05 PM by ravenshadow13

I think it's because we're getting more crazy.

Well as long as they're sugar pills and not corn syrup pills, right?

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 10:07 PM by Estharik

I have two theories to this:

1) the 2012 effect (which I don't quite buy... at all) is coming into effect and our bodies are shifting up a higher level! hooray!

2) It's part of a big scheme with TPTB to make the markets crash.. in this case the pharama companies... so they can put their hand in something else and put us all back into sheeple status.

serious note: good find sir

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 10:13 PM by A Conscience

reply to post by bringthelight

If you read the article they say it is happening at alarming rates. Many drugs are not making it past phase II testing because they are not beating the placebo. They cant make designer placebos because they have to disclose whats in the actual drug. They cant market sugar pills as medicine and sell them at $100 a bottle, so in essence if this trend continues, they are screwed.

And that is the light at the end of the tunnel of this insidious industry, where the attraction of megabucks outweighs the desire to heal or benefit humankind. Where safer alternatives solutions are often ignored, ridiculed or outrightly dismissed by the medical and drug cartel with the complicity of the FDA.

This is welcoming news!

reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 06:30 AM by bringthelight

Originally posted by Estharik
I have two theories to this:

1) the 2012 effect (which I don't quite buy... at all) is coming into effect and our bodies are shifting up a higher level! hooray!

2) It's part of a big scheme with TPTB to make the markets crash.. in this case the pharama companies... so they can put their hand in something else and put us all back into sheeple status.

serious note: good find sir

Something tells me that they would never intentionally crash one of the biggest markets on the planet. There is too much money to be made and they are panicking. There was one quote from the article that I had on page 1 of this thread that showed all of the major companies were undergoing a massive data sharing effort that is the first of its kind with a muliti million dollar research effort to find out whats happening to their precious pills!

That leads me to believe its door number one. I tend to believe that some, not all of this 2012 thing is true but this it truly surprising. Could be the 100th monkey effect like an earlier poster said. I have recently become a believer in holistic medicine and especially reiki which has worked for me. Could be the placebo effect but who knows....the fact is it worked and ended 2 painful areas of arthritis for me.

Our own bodies are our greatest healers and it is very exciting that people everywhere are waking up to this fact....no more pills with awful side effects! Your restless leg syndrome might be gone but side effects will include, bleeding from your eye sockets, anal leakage, and heart failure

reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 06:39 AM by deathproof

You guys are hillarious. Speaking as someone who has MS, and must take over 9-12 neurotin a day to mask "nerve pain", I'd say your "mind over matter" theory flies right out the door with my MRIs. Sometimes trials just don't work. It's a fact. Back to the drawing board...

There are 2 major medical secrets we don't understand: 1. The human brain. 2. The electricity that powers our bodies. When we understand these 2 major issues, we'll be able to heal the world, I'm sure of it.

When you deal with nuerology, they don't say it's brain surgery for nothing, right?!

reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 06:44 AM by bringthelight

reply to post by deathproof

Im not saying there is no use for medicine at all. That would be silly. I have had many surgeries and Im sure they wouldn't have gone as smooth without an morphine.

What is happening is drug companies are finding it harder and harder for their new "wonder pills" to beat the human mind. They make a discovery and invest millions into research and testing and it is not making it past stage II which is the placebo testing.

It is a good thing for everyone. Im not saying to stop taking medicine, just that these statistics are showing the human mind is expanding in its capacity to heal.

reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 12:26 PM by enlightenedwarrior

reply to post by deathproof

The human brain is why ayahuasca works for a lot of people. It allows your brain to finish the thoughts holding it back from fixing your body. Although the rituals may be crazy, it still works imo. My theory is that, if your brain has not fixed itself properly (ie being depressed all the time) then its not going to take the time to fully repair the rest of your body.

reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 04:04 PM by bringthelight

Im actually surprised this isnt a bigger deal to ATSers. This finding is a huge piece to the puzzle of whats to come.

reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 04:08 PM by Manouche

reply to post by bringthelight

The molecule in Prozac is not harmless. Prozac has a lot of negative effects, the manufacturer had to admit their studies showed some patients can behave agressively or commit suicide. How much freely they admitted it, I don't know. I believe they would rather have nobody knowing it.
To me, they are running a very good marketing campaign if they manage to make us believe they only want to induce a favorable placebo response. Then why don't they use a candy ? Because they can't. If their product does not have a measurable chimical effect, FDA won't classify it as a drug and practioners won't prescribe it as a drug. Well in a fair world. Prozac has been proven to not have any effect.

Placebo effect is very interesting, I believe the mind and the body can be very powerful. But I want to be sure the placebo effect is really getting stronger. Or if it is simply that drugs effect were overestimated because of manipulation.

reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 05:12 PM by bringthelight

reply to post by Manouche

That is a good point, is the placebo effect getting better or asre the drugs they are pushing more harmful and a sugar pill ends up making people feel better in the long run. Whatever it is, it is still amazing what the human mind is capable of.

In the video I posted, a man with crippling arthritis in his knees, undergoes a fake surgery and just has an incision made. They don't tell him for 2 years that they did nothing to his knees, yet he feels no pain, he is out dancing, and his life has changed for the better.

All because of having faith in something. He has faith that the surgery worked and he is going to be better and BAM! What I take from all this is that if we stop doubting ourselves so much, we can literally do anything.

Thanks for the input starred.

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reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 09:14 PM by angelx666

Hunestly I don't believe in any diseases but placebo/nocebo and suggestion 'therapy'only,

i promise would give anyone 100 dollars if somebody can infect me with pig flu or such, geez have i just suggested pig flu ?

I investigated this long time ago, i have even grown boobs over a week on hypnotic tape (two sessions) 1 size bigger , lol...

but there is still long way to go, for example to grow lost parts of body from accidents and such, tho I've heard this possible too,

who that monfucer was jesus, no?

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 09:19 PM by Hemisphere

reply to post by bringthelight

Fascinating post BTL! My wandering mind imagines a commercial for sugar pills featuring a couple in a jacuzzi that ends with a disclaimer like this....

If you experience an erection lasting more than 4 hours after taking Whizzbang, wake up! They are sugar pills! Who gets an erection from taking sugar pills? What are you nuts? These don't do that. These are for replacing artificial sweeteners in your coffee. Didn't you read the description on the label?

Ok, I'm back now. Mostly. And why would you name sugar pills "Whizzbang" unless they did that? So much time, so many stupid questions.

Hey, "Whizzbang" is mine, remember you saw it here first! Beats the heck out of Viagra, don't you think? Big pharma here I come!

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 10:00 PM by FritosBBQTwist

I have done my best to stop taking ALL medication. Including the simplest of all, Advil and such.

The response? Well, it could be paired with my new exercise and "okay" diet, but I never get headaches any more, and in general, feel real healthy. Trust me though, I am not a health nut, but medicine has never been one of my likings.

Last drug I was on was steroids for a severe poison ivy outbreak. Whole body was covered, had a fever - it was hell.

Even then, the side effects started showing up. I was as hungry as a Tasmanian Devil, got some mountain acne on my arms, and even felt the buffness! I did not like any of it though.

People, the placebo is your own mind. Shouldn't even need to take a sugar pill to feel the rewards...

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 02:08 AM by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by bringthelight
Im actually surprised this isnt a bigger deal to ATSers. This finding is a huge piece to the puzzle of whats to come.

I noticed they said "since the 1980s". The Harmonic Convergence happened in the 1980s, 1987 to be exact. Maybe the 1987-2012 consciousness shift is happening?

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 02:17 AM by silent thunder

I don't like this quote from the article. Not. One. Bit.

"To remain dominant in the future," [Edward Scolnick, Merck's research director] told Forbes, "we need to dominate the central nervous system."

And how about this one? What kind of marketing genius came up with this name for a company? Especially a STEM CELL company? Whatever side of the stem-cell-issue fence you stand on, I think most of us can agree that it wouldn't exactly be the most "soothing" name to Christian fundamentalists, among others:

...A stem-cell startup called Osiris Therapeutics...

[edit on 10/28/09 by silent thunder]

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 02:29 AM by Reddupo

Say the hype about the Law of One and 2012 and all that is true.

Say we are transitioning into a new density. As we do that, the vibrations we send out take less time to manifest. Eventually it will be instantaneous, but at an intermediate point, like oh...2009, it is still faster than 1989 or 1909.

I like to think its true

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 02:34 AM by silent thunder

Originally posted by Reddupo

I like to think its true

Well, if the placabeo effect is as strong as the article says it is, maybe it will be true -- for you, at least

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 03:06 AM by St Udio

Big Pharma is not going to fret over the Why? of the placebo effect...

B.P. is busy laying the foundations to control all suppliments and homeopathic herbs, etc.

A likely explaination for the increase in the national Placebo Effect is the fact that there is so much and so many types of RXs flushed into the local water systems...
many of those chemical molecules survive and in effect cause a very diluted drug to be had in the local municipal water supply..
a very watered-down version of a drug is termed a 'Tincture',

any one familiar with potions, herbs should have become aware of this
seeming Self-Healing & Placebo-Effect through the constant consumption of Tincture -at least on a subconscious level-

... and not fall for the supernatural explainations of humanity rising to a higher frequency, through no effort of their own.
Nope, self-healing is common among Yogi's and Fakirs & many Eastern-World practices --

whereas; The Western mindset & philosophy makes for just a bunch of laggards in this regard.

~peace~
~thank you~

[edit on 28-10-2009 by St Udio]

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 03:13 AM by WalterRatlos

reply to post by bringthelight

Prozac is a Placebo drug?

I thought it was a fancy psycho drug, like anti-depressive but with possibly importance as a by-product.

*shrug* Back to the drawing board ... hehe ...

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 03:31 AM by silent thunder

Originally posted by St Udio

A likely explaination for the increase in the national Placebo Effect is the fact that there is so much and so many types of RXs flushed into the local water systems...
many of those chemical molecules survive and in effect cause a very diluted drug to be had in the local municipal water supply..

I've heard about this before...if you are right that is truly depressing.

[edit on 10/28/09 by silent thunder]

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