Placebos Are Getting More Effective. Drugmakers Are Desperate to Know Why., page 2
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reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 10:13 PM by A Conscience
reply to post by bringthelight



If you read the article they say it is happening at alarming rates. Many drugs are not making it past phase II testing because they are not beating the placebo. They cant make designer placebos because they have to disclose whats in the actual drug. They cant market sugar pills as medicine and sell them at $100 a bottle, so in essence if this trend continues, they are screwed.


And that is the light at the end of the tunnel of this insidious industry, where the attraction of megabucks outweighs the desire to heal or benefit humankind. Where safer alternatives solutions are often ignored, ridiculed or outrightly dismissed by the medical and drug cartel with the complicity of the FDA.

This is welcoming news!



reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 06:30 AM by bringthelight
Originally posted by Estharik
I have two theories to this:

1) the 2012 effect (which I don't quite buy... at all) is coming into effect and our bodies are shifting up a higher level! hooray!

2) It's part of a big scheme with TPTB to make the markets crash.. in this case the pharama companies... so they can put their hand in something else and put us all back into sheeple status.

serious note: good find sir


Something tells me that they would never intentionally crash one of the biggest markets on the planet. There is too much money to be made and they are panicking. There was one quote from the article that I had on page 1 of this thread that showed all of the major companies were undergoing a massive data sharing effort that is the first of its kind with a muliti million dollar research effort to find out whats happening to their precious pills!

That leads me to believe its door number one. I tend to believe that some, not all of this 2012 thing is true but this it truly surprising. Could be the 100th monkey effect like an earlier poster said. I have recently become a believer in holistic medicine and especially reiki which has worked for me. Could be the placebo effect but who knows....the fact is it worked and ended 2 painful areas of arthritis for me.

Our own bodies are our greatest healers and it is very exciting that people everywhere are waking up to this fact....no more pills with awful side effects! Your restless leg syndrome might be gone but side effects will include, bleeding from your eye sockets, anal leakage, and heart failure


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 06:44 AM by bringthelight
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Im not saying there is no use for medicine at all. That would be silly. I have had many surgeries and Im sure they wouldn't have gone as smooth without an morphine.

What is happening is drug companies are finding it harder and harder for their new "wonder pills" to beat the human mind. They make a discovery and invest millions into research and testing and it is not making it past stage II which is the placebo testing.

It is a good thing for everyone. Im not saying to stop taking medicine, just that these statistics are showing the human mind is expanding in its capacity to heal.


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 12:26 PM by enlightenedwarrior
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The human brain is why ayahuasca works for a lot of people. It allows your brain to finish the thoughts holding it back from fixing your body. Although the rituals may be crazy, it still works imo. My theory is that, if your brain has not fixed itself properly (ie being depressed all the time) then its not going to take the time to fully repair the rest of your body.


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 04:08 PM by Manouche
reply to post by bringthelight



The molecule in Prozac is not harmless. Prozac has a lot of negative effects, the manufacturer had to admit their studies showed some patients can behave agressively or commit suicide. How much freely they admitted it, I don't know. I believe they would rather have nobody knowing it.
To me, they are running a very good marketing campaign if they manage to make us believe they only want to induce a favorable placebo response. Then why don't they use a candy ? Because they can't. If their product does not have a measurable chimical effect, FDA won't classify it as a drug and practioners won't prescribe it as a drug. Well in a fair world. Prozac has been proven to not have any effect.

Placebo effect is very interesting, I believe the mind and the body can be very powerful. But I want to be sure the placebo effect is really getting stronger. Or if it is simply that drugs effect were overestimated because of manipulation.


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 05:12 PM by bringthelight
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That is a good point, is the placebo effect getting better or asre the drugs they are pushing more harmful and a sugar pill ends up making people feel better in the long run. Whatever it is, it is still amazing what the human mind is capable of.

In the video I posted, a man with crippling arthritis in his knees, undergoes a fake surgery and just has an incision made. They don't tell him for 2 years that they did nothing to his knees, yet he feels no pain, he is out dancing, and his life has changed for the better.

All because of having faith in something. He has faith that the surgery worked and he is going to be better and BAM! What I take from all this is that if we stop doubting ourselves so much, we can literally do anything.

Thanks for the input starred.

[edit on 26-8-2009 by bringthelight]


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 09:19 PM by Hemisphere
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Fascinating post BTL! My wandering mind imagines a commercial for sugar pills featuring a couple in a jacuzzi that ends with a disclaimer like this....


If you experience an erection lasting more than 4 hours after taking Whizzbang, wake up! They are sugar pills! Who gets an erection from taking sugar pills? What are you nuts? These don't do that. These are for replacing artificial sweeteners in your coffee. Didn't you read the description on the label?



Ok, I'm back now. Mostly. And why would you name sugar pills "Whizzbang" unless they did that? So much time, so many stupid questions.


Hey, "Whizzbang" is mine, remember you saw it here first! Beats the heck out of Viagra, don't you think? Big pharma here I come!


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 03:13 AM by WalterRatlos
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Prozac is a Placebo drug? I thought it was a fancy psycho drug, like anti-depressive but with possibly importance as a by-product. *shrug* Back to the drawing board ... hehe ...
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