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Camouflaged New Building at Kirtland AFB

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posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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The Air Force facility on Maui and the Russian facility in Tajikistan are used for optical surveillance and tracking of objects in Earth orbit. Okno (in Tajikistan, translated as "window") does not use lasers. AEOS (Advanced Electro Optical System part of AMOS, on Maui) and the Starfire Optical Range at Kirtland do use lasers but neither as weapon systems or power transmission devices. There is high energy beam research being carried out at Kirtland but it is separate from the Starfire facility (where the dramatic green laser beams are seen).

The role of the lasers in AEOS and Starfire is part of what is known as adaptive optics. Both of these installations are working on means of keeping an eye on satellites through passive means. The idea behind adaptive optics is to correct the distortion of light as it travels through the atmosphere. The air above us is is not entirely homogeneous or tranquil. Differences in air density, caused by variations in water vapor content and temperature, cause light to be refracted. This can be seen in mirages and in the twinkling of starlight. The result is that distant (or small) objects become very difficult to view and track accurately. What adaptive optics does is to change the shape of the mirrors of the telescopes to correct for these distortions in real time, as they occur.

For some astronomical purposes, stars can be used at "benchmarks" to apply the corrections to the optical systems. This works well but it's limited. When optically tracking an object in orbit, there isn't always a reference star handy. This is where lasers come into the picture. The basic idea is that a laser is used to create an artificial "guide star" for the system. There are two primary ways of doing this. One system uses laser tuned to a wavelength (yellowish orange) which energizes the sodium atoms which exist in a layer of the upper atmosphere about 55 miles above the surface. The glow created is used as a guide star. The other method uses lasers with a green color to utilize Raleigh scattering (the phenomenon which makes the sky blue) to reflect light from lower levels of the atmosphere (where most of the distortion occurs) back to the observatory.

While there is talk of using the very accurate tracking afforded by these systems to do things like vaporize orbital debris (among other things), the lasers used for the optical systems are far too weak to penetrate 50 miles of air and still inflict any damage. Instead, it is the optical systems which would aim the hugely powerful lasers. This kind of application would require something like nuclear pumped lasers. The Russians are known to have been working on this sort of thing and it may have something to do with what's going on at HELSTF but the beams we see shooting out of the observatories, though pretty, are not that.


Adaptive optics at work on a binary star system:


Okno
AEOS (AMOS)
Guide stars
HELSTF

[edit on 8/25/2009 by Phage]




posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:46 AM
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Im a little confused by the camo...

why camouflage a building and then park multiple cars right next to it on an asphault parking lot in the middle of the dessert?

Very odd...



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by open_eyeballs
Im a little confused by the camo...

why camouflage a building and then park multiple cars right next to it on an asphault parking lot in the middle of the dessert?

Very odd...


Because the cars are not secret... only what is under the covers


Either that or

A) They just want to mess with us... because if they REALLY were hiding stuff they would shoot down the google satellite
B) its an Eco thing... like the fake rocks along California highways




posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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Wow..and very cool! Thanks for uploading those pics...unbelievable...almost...



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by Phage
The Air Force facility on Maui and the Russian facility in Tajikistan are used for optical surveillance and tracking of objects in Earth orbit. Okno (in Tajikistan, translated as "window") does not use lasers.





The US Department of Defense has three similar objects. They use lasers and therefore require more by way of electric power. In any case, Okno is superior. Strategically speaking, the complex is a huge step forward in Russia's ability to forecast aggressions against it and its allies. An emphasis on advanced hi-tech weapons and military hardware is made in modern warfare. Space is playing an important role in it, particularly now that the United States is deploying a new ballistic missile defense system with some elements of it in orbit around Earth. It means that the role of Okno in military security of Russia and its allies will only grow.


ezhe.ru...




AEOS (Advanced Electro Optical System part of AMOS, on Maui) and the Starfire Optical Range at Kirtland do use lasers but neither as weapon systems or power transmission devices.



The United States Air Force continues its research and development on laser weaponry with a renewed focus on anti-satellite systems. To avoid international entanglements with space weapons, this system is ground based and designed to burn up enemy satellites in orbit. Previously, a major hurdle to laser weapons has been Earth’s atmosphere. The same refractive properties that cause stars to twinkle reduces the effectiveness of outbound lasers. In New Mexico, the Starfire Optical Laboratory has converted its flexible mirror technology previously used for correcting atmospheric distortion to create adaptively focusing lasers capable of full power transmission into space.


www.omninerd.com...

Oh wait that is a geek site...
you want 'official'


Laser beaming demonstrations to high-orbit satellites


Abstract Laser power beaming to satellites and orbital transfer vehicles requires the accurate pointing of a low-divergence laser beam to its target, whether the target is in the sunlight or the earth`s shadow. The Air Force Phillips Laboratory (AFPL) has demonstrated reduction in the image size of stars by a factor of 10 or more by using laser beacons and adaptive optics for atmospheric compensation. This same technology is applicable to reducing the divergence of laser beams propagated from earth to space. A team of Phillips Laboratory, COMSAT Laboratories, and Sandia National Laboratories plans to demonstrate the state of the art in this area with laser-beaming demonstrations to high-orbit satellites. The demonstrations will utilize the 1.5-m diameter telescope with adaptive optics at the AFPL Starfire Optical Range (SOR) and a ruby laser provided by the Air Force and Sandia (1--50 kill and 6 ms at 694.3 nm). The first targets will be corner-cube retro-reflectors left on the moon by the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 landings. We will attempt to use adaptive optics for atmospheric compensation to demonstrate accurate and reliable beam projection with a series of shots over a span of time and shot angle. We will utilize the return signal from the retro-reflectors to help determine the beam diameter on the moon and the variations in pointing accuracy caused by atmospheric tilt.


ubject 42 ENGINEERING; SATELLITES; LASER POWER TRANSMISSION; FEEDBACK; DEMONSTRATION PROGRAMS; TECHNOLOGY ASSESSMENT; TELESCOPES

www.osti.gov...



The idea behind adaptive optics is to correct the distortion of light as it travels through the atmosphere.


Yes precisely so that when they beam power out to space or to the Moon it won't be distorted.


Title, Laser beaming demonstrations at the Starfire Optical Range ... a laser beam to a satellite is crucial for power-beaming and laser-communications
www.osti.gov...


Laser beaming demonstrations at the Starfire Optical Range
219-230, Laser Power Beaming II, Harold E. Bennett; Richard D. Doolittle; Eds. ... laser were used with the Phillips Lab Starfire Optical Range (SOR) beam ...
adsabs.harvard.edu...

Laser Division Starfire Optical Range Division
is investigating how to use optics to precisely place a beam of laser light on a moving target at greater and greater ranges.
www.fas.org...

Using Lasers in Space: Laser Orbital Debris Removal and Asteroid ...
(AEOS) under construction in Hawaii or the Starfire Optical Range (SOR) ..... approaches, including laser power beaming, deflecting asteroids, ...
www.au.af.mil...


And the Russians said theirs was better


Got some great stuff on OKNO too but not now


So you really think Russia will just come out and say...

"Hey Comrade, we can blast anything you have out of the sky
"

Yup that will happen ... soon... maybe...

But hey... I will give you one to debunk... consider it a freebie

Russia used laser radar against the manned Space Shuttle Challenger interfering with equipment and making the crew feel sick. According to the articles below they were concerned about the Shuttles launching spy satellites and going over Russia.


On 11 October 1984, the US defense secretary reported to the president that equipment on the Challenger shuttle broke down and crew felt unwell when it passed over Lake Balkhash, near Norak, suggesting that the Soviets were testing a new anti-satellite weapon.

Indeed, the Terra-3 experimental laser radar was used on Defence Minister Dmitriy Ustinov's orders. After a US protest, the Soviets promised not to use it against manned spacecraft.

The Americans, however, were worried, thinking that
Okno was a beam anti- satellite weapon system. This nearly wrecked the Soviet-US summit in 1985, which only went ahead after Soviet specialists proved that Okno had no radiating elements.


xmb.stuffucanuse.com...




posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 04:42 AM
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Really interesting thread, especially impressed with the camouflage techniques. What are they hiding, looking forward to laser beams info!! Good work Zorgon



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:01 AM
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Zorgon i love you, you are a genius, you hit the nail onto the top.

Do you remember the narrow straight lines of light in the black&white (IR) photos of Earth and Moon , that you said are space elevators ... we would see them ... but if these thinks are lasers powering up a dozen space station and a bunch of moonbases ... Oh my ...



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:24 AM
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They forgot to do a underground garage or put some camo over the cars


If it was supposed to be secret they have failed miserably








[edit on 25-8-2009 by thomas_]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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Is it possible that these "camouflaged tarps" are actually protecting not hiding something from the surrounding desert? Just a thought


Originally posted by zorgon
Okay serious question here...
No I don't know EVERYTHING (yet)


But HOW the heck do you get electricity from explosions? Any demolition expert out there can help me out on this? I must have missed a class



Up to 1000 pounds of high explosives can be detonated in this area to produce hundreds of megajoules of electrical energy needed for these advanced experiments.


Your car engine creates thousands of small explosions from the fuel/air mixture. There was one point where they tried creating engine fuel from gunpowder for cars, but it proved unreliable. Thinking along these lines, then the explosion could provide a short powerful burst of electrical energy

As for why they would develop such a weapon? I don't know if any of you remember a film called "Spies like us" (Dan Ackroyd & Chevy Chase) but the military use a weapon in the film that bounces a high energy beam off a satellite(s) to hit a designated target on the other side of the planet. Think of it that way. No need to send a bomber in to take out a target, and have it possibly shot down. A few adjusted mirrors, and you can take out a targeted cave in Afghanistan without leaving US soil.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
Okay serious question here...
No I don't know EVERYTHING (yet)


But HOW the heck do you get electricity from explosions? Any demolition expert out there can help me out on this? I must have missed a class



Up to 1000 pounds of high explosives can be detonated in this area to produce hundreds of megajoules of electrical energy needed for these advanced experiments.



I guess i am the resident demolition expert .

You take a large coil of fine wire (miles of wire in some cases) and charge it with high voltage capacitors and a power supply. this creates a powerful magnetic field.
This coil is wound around a high explosive charge,
then wind another coil around the first one with a blast protection between the coils.

When you charge the first field with a electric charge the magnetic field forms. Then you detonate the explosive charge, this causes the magnetic field to collapse in micro seconds as the field shorts out.
And as the field collapses it imparts a electric current on the second coil 100,000s of times more powerful then the original current in the first coil.

This is the same effect as a EMP pulse bomb except the EMP bomb does not have the second coil to catch the pulse.
www.popularmechanics.com...




posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:52 AM
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Here`s one of the few posters on ATS who is looking where a conspiracy-theorist is supposed to be looking.

Kudos and a thousand thumbs up



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:58 AM
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Great post as always, Zorg.

Hope I don't stray too far away from topic, but it's seemed a bit synchronistic that I just read in the Swedish daily paper "Aftonbladet" that in the south of Sweden, a region called Skåne, yesterday, an airplane reported that a green laser beam, directed into the cockpit, disturbed the crew.

The plane was at 800 meters as it happened during 10 p.m. , and the laser was thought to be coming from 40 kilometers away.

The event is considered as a air sabotage.

full article in Swedish:

Aftonbladet


Recently a 19 year old male was arrested for a similar attack on a police helicopter.

Just thought I would mention it, as the technique gets more common


What use does green, commercially available, lasers have?



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:12 AM
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Starred and Flagged!

Great work Zorgon, especially the laser power beaming.
==
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[edit on 25-8-2009 by Exuberant1]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
Okay serious question here...
No I don't know EVERYTHING (yet)


But HOW the heck do you get electricity from explosions? Any demolition expert out there can help me out on this? I must have missed a class



Up to 1000 pounds of high explosives can be detonated in this area to produce hundreds of megajoules of electrical energy needed for these advanced experiments.


Flux Compression Generator Development at The Air Force research Laboratory

Cavazos, T.C.; Gale, D.G.; Roth, C.E.; Parker, J.V.; Sommars, W.E.; & Coffey, S.K.; Lehr, F.M.; Tucker, W.D.; Kiuttu, G.F.; Degnan, J.H.
(Science Applications International Corp,Directed Energy Directorate, Air Force Research Laboratory, Kirtland AFB, NM 87117 USA)

Abstract:




The Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) maintains an extensive capability for the design, analysis, construction and testing of explosive pulsed power (EPP) components. Three flux compression generators (FCGs) were designed as part of an EPP technology development effort sponsored by AFRL and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). A secondary-stage, high-current FCG was designed to deliver 10 MA into a nominal load inductance of 80 nH from an initial generator inductance of 1.6 μH that is seeded with 1 MA. We have also developed a coaxial FCG to deliver more than 20 MA into a 2 nH load. The initial flux in the coaxial chamber (60 nH at 1.5 MA) is compressed uniformly using a copper armature, which is simultaneously initiated using a slapper detonator. Either of these two FCGs can be seeded with a third generator design: a high-gain, helical FCG. This model serves as our workhorse generator capable of delivering 2 MA into a 0.5 μH inductive load. It has also been operated into load inductances ranging from 0.1 to 2.0 μH with comparable flux delivery. All experiments are conducted on an explosive test range located on Kirtland Air Force Base. The design effort is supported by powerful computer modeling using CAGEN2, CALE and MACH2. Design features for all three FCGs are presented in this paper with results from recent explosive tests.


www.webstracts.com...





[edit on 25-8-2009 by Exuberant1]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:33 AM
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continued...


High Voltage Flux Compression Generators

Donna M. Chato
Jay B. Chase
Gerald F. Kiutu
(2008)



Helical magnetic flux compression generators (HFCGs) have been in use for about five decades. There remain limitations to their performance. Recently and for the first time, calculations of high accuracy of HFCG output have been made. The calculated results assume that there are no electrical breakdowns in the generator resulting in a decrease of flux delivered. It has been very difficult to build high performance generators within desired size constraints as a result. The goal of the Phase I effort is to be able to design and build HFCGs that can operate at higher voltages than are presently achieved. Reaching this goal has required the development of advanced computational tools that allow the calculation of all the vector components of both the electrostatic and inductive internal electric fields within the generators, and identification and understanding of the primary reason, or reasons, for field-induced breakdown.

Using the two existing 2D codes, FlexPDE and CALE, calculations were completed on the constant pitch region of a HFCG and the results incorporated into CAGEN. We have achieved our goals: the complete inclusion in the model code CAGEN for predicting the electric fields within an explosively powered helical flux compression generator. We accomplished this task by using purely two-dimensional physics equation solutions from the trademarked code FlexPDE.


www.dtic.mil... (.mil link)





Explosively Powered Helical Flux Compression Generator:


[edit on 25-8-2009 by Exuberant1]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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Zorgon, I dont know how many hours you put into your research but it's VERY impressive. S+F



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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A little nugget I found that may be of interest to you:




HPMs can be “single shot” or continuous wave weapons. Single shot weapons envisioned for expendable munitions (missiles, rockets, artillery shells and bombs) use explosively pumped flux compression generators (FCGs) or explosive magnetocumulative generator (EMG)......

[HPM= high powered microwaves]

-PENETRATING THE ION CURTAIN:
IMPLICATIONS OF DIRECTED ENERGY INTEGRATED AIR
DEFENSE SYSTEMS IN 2030




Here is a Disk Explosive Magnetic Generator (DEMG):





The Disk Explosive Magnetic
Generator (DEMG)
The DEMG consists of pairs of concave
conducting disks that are stacked together.
A device of 15 disks is shown. It has
cylindrical symmetry about the labeled
axis. Current flows as indicated by the
red line, and an azimuthal magnetic field
is established within each toroidal disk
cavity. When the DEMG is detonated, the
explosion begins on axis and proceeds
radially outward. As the disk cavity collapses,
the magnetic flux within it is
compressed and pushed into the
thin region at the outer circumference
of the device. That
region is bounded by
conducting surfaces, so
when the flux density within
that space rapidly increases, a huge
current is induced to flow. When a fuse
opening switch is used, the current causes
the fuse to melt and open. At the
same time, the load switch is forced shut.
The current is then delivered to the load,
which is often a liner.

www.fas.org...





*But microwave weapons in bombs and artillery shells - think about that one.







[edit on 25-8-2009 by Exuberant1]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1

Flux Compression Generator Development at The Air Force research Laboratory

Cavazos, T.C.; Gale, D.G.; Roth, C.E.; Parker, J.V.; Sommars, W.E.; & Coffey, S.K.; Lehr, F.M.; Tucker, W.D.; Kiuttu, G.F.; Degnan, J.H.
(Science Applications International Corp,Directed Energy Directorate, Air Force Research Laboratory, Kirtland AFB, NM 87117 USA)

Abstract:




The Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) maintains an extensive capability for the design, analysis, construction and testing of explosive pulsed power (EPP) components. Three flux compression generators (FCGs) were designed as part of an EPP technology development effort sponsored by AFRL and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). A secondary-stage, high-current FCG was designed to deliver 10 MA into a nominal load inductance of 80 nH from an initial generator inductance of 1.6 μH that is seeded with 1 MA. We have also developed a coaxial FCG to deliver more than 20 MA into a 2 nH load. The initial flux in the coaxial chamber (60 nH at 1.5 MA) is compressed uniformly using a copper armature, which is simultaneously initiated using a slapper detonator. Either of these two FCGs can be seeded with a third generator design: a high-gain, helical FCG. This model serves as our workhorse generator capable of delivering 2 MA into a 0.5 μH inductive load. It has also been operated into load inductances ranging from 0.1 to 2.0 μH with comparable flux delivery. All experiments are conducted on an explosive test range located on Kirtland Air Force Base. The design effort is supported by powerful computer modeling using CAGEN2, CALE and MACH2. Design features for all three FCGs are presented in this paper with results from recent explosive tests.



www.webstracts.com...

[edit on 25-8-2009 by Exuberant1]


Interesting, is this similar to the concept of Inertial Confinement Fusion? I was going to suggest that before I saw your posts?

Rather than use the laser to 'burst' the atoms to create intense heat and pressure, they would use multiple explosions for confinement fusion? Would be no where near as powerful as the former, but it could still provide some power.

What interests me the most about ICF, is not only the laser they use, but the seemingly implied capability to confine these incredible releases of energy! The whole process relies on the inertia from the explosions to direct inwards, rather than explode outwards to create pressure and heat. This means that they would have to shield these explosions, forcing them inwards.

Nice thread Zorgon, S+F

what I'm curious about is, would we be able to 'see' these lasers, or would they be beyond our visible range?

EMM

Edit to add: reply to Phage


What adaptive optics does is to change the shape of the mirrors of the telescopes to correct for these distortions in real time, as they occur.


What mirrors would they use to 'correct' it realtime? Are you refering to the shape of the mirrors, or the surface of the mirror?

[edit on 25-8-2009 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]

[edit on 25-8-2009 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 09:05 AM
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I live in abq,Nm and i can tell u from kirtland,AFB to the mountains is covered in bunkers...and it might be a building connected to sandia national labs...another super high tech building....



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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There are fake rocks on the California highways??!!!


Nice work - AGAIN - Zorgon, s&f



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