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reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 08:04 AM by Chevalerous
Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by Chevalerous


Your wrong as well so apparently you need to learn some history too. First the the Nazis were fascists so trying to define them by left or right is silly. Lets look at what they wanted shall we?

The National Socialist Program was developed to formulate the party policies of, first, the Austrian German Workers Party.The program championed the right to employment and called for the institution of profit sharing, confiscation of war profits, prosecution of usurer's and profiteers, nationalization of trusts, communalization of department stores, extension of the old-age pension system, creation of a national education program of all classes, prohibition of child labor, and an end to the dominance of investment capital.German Nazism was closer to Russian communism than to any other non-communist system.

Now once Hitler got this off the ground next came a dictatorship this is a common end result Venezuela comes to mind.Once the government regulates all aspects of someones life it inevitably leads to one person controlling every aspect of a persons life. A Nazi would have there jobs picked for them the education system was set up for the needs of the state and regulated every aspect of the German peoples lives. And currently the government is saying alot of the same things the Nazis did to gain power.For example banks are evil industry needs to be regulated there needs to be a national health care system. And what scares the hell out of me is the conditions occurring in the United States is close to the conditions the Germans were experiencing after world war 1 unemployment rising massive debt and lets not forget isolationism which I'm hearing more and more here.

Was he inaccurate comparing the government policies to Nazis Id argue no there are similarities let us hope it just doesn't go as far as it could.


WTF! are you talking about? - you don't know what you are talking about!

You said: Austrian German Workers Party?

Well that is not correct - it was:

Founded 5th of january 1919 as Deutsche Arbeiterpartei DAP

Karl Harrer 1919 - DAP

Anton Drexler 1919–1921 - DAP

Adolf Hitler 1921–1945 changed the name to:

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP

Austria had nothing to do with it beside Hitler being from Austria.

You're the the one who need a proper education in political history because apparently so many of you have been brainwashed by your own American Right-Wing (because they didn't want to be associated with National Socialism on the spectrum) into believing that the National Socialism was on the same side on the political spectrum as Socialism/Communism - they weren't, they were the antithesis of Socialism/Communism - they were the radical authoritarian RIGHT!

And Communism were the radical authoritan LEFT!

Nazi Germany was the ideological antithesis to Communism. Many of those non-Jewish victims exterminated by the Nazis were guilty of the crime of being Progressive or Communist. Communists, Socialists, Gypsies, Jews, and Homosexuals were the “enemies” against which the right-extremist Nazis rallied. The National Socialist Party (aka the Nazi’s) was “Socialist” in name only. Nazi Germany was a Fascist dictatorship. Communist is LEFT, Nazis is RIGHT. Both systems have often been commandeered by strong man authoritarian regimes.

I wrote:


One thing is bothering me though! the brave marine in the video said that the National Socialists were LEFTIST! - (A.K.A Socialists & Communists)

Well that is not correct even if the name can lead you to think so!

They were 'Authoritarian Right Wing' on the political spectrum in Germany, they actually hated the Socialists, Social Democrats and the Communists and sent most of them to concentration camps.



Why don't we take a look how Hitler himself defined the term: National Socialism? shall we?

Great interviews of the 20th century

This edited interview of Adolf Hitler by George Sylvester Viereck took place in 1923. It was republished in Liberty magazine in July 1932

I met Hitler not in his headquarters, the Brown House in Munich, but in a private home - the dwelling of a former admiral of the German Navy. We discussed the fate of Germany over the teacups.

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We want a greater Germany uniting all German tribes. But our salvation can start in the smallest corner. Even if we had only 10 acres of land and were determined to defend them with our lives, the 10 acres would become the focus of regeneration. Our workers have two souls: one is German, the other is Marxian. We must arouse the German soul. We must uproot the canker of Marxism. Marxism and Germanism are antitheses.

"In my scheme of the German state, there will be no room for the alien, no use for the wastrel, for the usurer or speculator, or anyone incapable of productive work."

The cords on Hitler's forehead stood out threateningly. His voice filled the room. There was a noise at the door. His followers, who always remain within call, like a bodyguard, reminded the leader of his duty to address a meeting

Hitler gulped down his tea and rose.

www.guardian.co.uk...







What I was arguing against was that the marine in the townhall video said to the politician that the National Socialists were LEFTIST!

Therefore I said! he should not be saying this because it will make him look like a fool even if the rest of his arguments is correct and valid!

The National Socialists were not LEFTIST! they were the radical authoritarian RIGHT! on the political spectrum in Germany.

So now some could try to twist this any way you want in a perverse political and distorted point of view like the rest of the delusional propagandists in America with the modus operandi of Limbaugh or O'Reilly!

I don't care anymore! I'm done arguing this subject with people that are indoctrinated so much that the rest of the world is laughing and feel sincerely sorry for you!

Man! I have now dead relatives who were on the opposite sides in Nazi Germany and actually lived through those crazy years - some of them were intellectual 'Social Democrats' while the other side of the family were 'National Socialists' a.k.a NAZIS and financial Capitalists and I had the pleasure to talk with many of them at a big family reunion in Switzerland late 1980's when many of them were 75-90 years old.

I am myself a crazy mix of Swedish/Norwegian-Swiss/German/Dutch Heritage so I have family spread out in all those countries and many of my relatives were affected by National Socialism in one way or another.

I trust in their experiences!

I like seeing the people's popular uprising! - but get the Nazi fact straight!


[edit on 25-8-2009 by Chevalerous]



reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 09:17 AM by EYEOFEAGLE
Wow! It is happening right in front of your noses and you don't even see it.

This Obama Fraud Administration is turning you against one another and you don't even see it happening.

Obama is pathetic. He has done nothing but make the Office of President of the United States look and feel like a joke. He has a made a mockery out of the highest office in the land in record time. Un freakin believable!

He is a joke, a lier and nothing more than a puppet. My dollar is on that he is not even elegible to hold the office legally. rumor has it, his whole campaign started as a joke just to see what the reaction of the people would be. Well, I guess the joke is on all Americans, especially the ones that were stupid enough to vote for him.

This is what happens when you put unqualified people in positions of importance to run things. It turns to trash and crap right in front of your eyes and turns good people against each other.

If you have not read the Health Care bill, none of you should say another word about it until you read all 1000+ pages. When you have read it, I would then love to hear what you have to say about Obama then.


WAKE UP AMERICA, CHAOS IS TRYING TO GET INTO YOUR LIFE, PLEASE DO NOT LET THEM IN.


If we do not vote every single sitting congressman and senator out of office in the next elections, America is going to be in trouble beyond repair.

It is up to WE THE PEOPLE to stop them now in their tracks by voting them out of office for good. That is power we have.


Eye of Eagle


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 12:54 PM by AwakeinNM
Originally posted by uaocteaou
This cat is just another example of an idiot who has no clue what he's talking about.

He's a self described disabled Marine veteran, which means that he receives VA medical care, As we all know, that's a Government run medical plan. So, it's okay for him, but nobody else should have what he benefits from?.. Clown.

Reminds me of the senior citizens who shout that they want the government to keep their hands off their medicare, LOL rediculous. Again, it's good for them, but nobody else deserves it?.. Clowns.

Listen, I agree with free speech, but I also believe that if you are going to challenge or confront someone, you should also be required to know what you're talking about, this fellow has no idea what he's talking about.

Anf to answer the OP's origional question about health care, OF COURSE, WE MUST HAVE A PUBLIC OPTION.

Oh, and if you are a receipient of Government run health care, you shouldn't bitch about others having an oportunity to benefit as YOU yourself enjoy.

Now, let the uber-right flaming begin, I don't care.




Actually, you're going to get flamed from moderates as well because your views are so far left you're about to tip over. And FYI, he knows EXACTLY what he is talking about, because he knows history. He has done the reading and the thinking for himself, something you should look into. Clearly you've absorbed everything you were indoctrinated with in public school and believe everything you see on ABCNBCCBSCNN propaganda media. Good obedient citizen. Imagine where we'd be today if our founding fathers were "good obedient citizens."

OF COURSE, WE MUST HAVE A PUBLIC OPTION??? The government has no business telling anyone in this country what kind of healthcare they can or can not have in the first place, so that point is moot.

This marine speaks exactly the words the majority.. let me repeat that... the MAJORITY of people in this country are thinking. We will not stand for this bill. If they ram it through, they better get ready to rumble because it may very well be the catalyst.

By the way, I dare you to put that hammer and sickle on your front door if you're so confident that you're right. If your landlord allows it, of course.


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 01:01 PM by uaocteaou
reply to post by AwakeinNM


Edited to remove reply to immature poster posing as adult

[edit on 25-8-2009 by uaocteaou]

[edit on 25-8-2009 by uaocteaou]



reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 01:09 PM by AwakeinNM
Originally posted by uaocteaou
My favorite part is where he rambles on witless, shouting things that he's heard from False-news stations and fear mongering, right wing nut jobs. He shouts phrases, not questions, Nazis, lions and bears, OH MY!
"Keep yur hands off my children, I'm a Vet..... HEALTH CARE!!!"

He told nobody off, he made himself appear a fool and sadly, he exposed himself as an ignorant drone with shouted hot-words in lieu of substantive arguments or position.

I actually feel sorry for that guy.




Allow me to point something out here. I have noticed that the left uses the childish technique of accusing the opposition of doing exactly the thing that they do when the tables are turned. False-news stations? It's been known for years that the media has a liberal bias, and now that Nobama is prez, they don't even bother to hide it. So you're actually right in saying the news stations spew falsehoods, whether by slant or omission, but your accusation is backward.

"Nazis, lions and bears, OH MY!" Yes, Hitler did some of the same things that Obama is doing now to further the socialist agenda. It worked then, why can't it work now, right? While it may not be completely accurate to compare the two as equals, the history books support this guy's argument. You might try cracking open a history book sometime, rather than getting your revisionist history lessons from the media.

*Mod Edit: Ahh No. Cheers -alien

[edit on 25-8-2009 by alien]


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 01:25 PM by AwakeinNM
reply to post by uaocteaou


I'm just saying what most people reading your posts are thinking. We'll see how your president does with this bill, chief. Best of luck with that.


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 07:04 PM by dragonridr
reply to post by Chevalerous


Well apparently i get to teach some more history the German workers party got its start in Austria. The movement took a concrete form on November 15, 1903 when the German Worker's Party (D.A.P.) was established in Austria with its secretariat stationed in the town of Aussig.At a party congress in Vienna in May 1918, the DAP changed its name to the Deutsche Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterpartei (DNSAP) and produced a National Socialist Program which is thought to have influenced the later German Nazi manifesto.


So who doesn't know there history i gave you the original points that lead to the Nazi party formation and it started very simple health care profit sharing bank regulations nationalization of businesses. So let me give you some advice don't do a quick search on the web for history it all ways goes much deeper than people think. If you were one of my students you just failed!

PS if your truly interested i can point you in the right direction and surprise you'll see similarities as i tell people everything in history repeats itself. Let us hope in this instance that is wrong We cant handle fascism in todays world. Oh and as for your argument Nazis were on the right that has been debated ever since there appearance on the world stage i can find many scholars that say there left. The proper accepted classification for them is right on the left-right political axis. So calling them right wing is just inaccurate your own chart proved that draw a line straight up and down then you have divisions for left and right is is why the square is tilted.

Ghandi is actually closer to bush in policies than Nazis you are only looking at economics but scholars argue social policies are more important.


[edit on 8/25/09 by dragonridr]


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 09:00 PM by Chevalerous
reply to post by dragonridr


Talk about twisting facts about N.S.D.A.P!

The movement you are referring to - D.A.P in Aussig 1903 is one of many D.A.P movement that existed in German speaking countries or areas at the time.

Even if they had certain similarities they were not the same movement as the D.A.P that Drexler & Harrer started in munich 1919. They only shared the same name and had their main support among and from the same mine/ railroadworkers & union worker and military who were their main source of voters.

Bohemia/Sudetenland had a D.A.P party and Austria had a D.A.P party but none of them evolved to be N.S.D.A.P in Germany 1920-21 - and some of the members from the Austrian D.A.P or D.N.S.A.P then joined N.S.D.A.P instead and Vienna/Aussig/Eger D.A.P and D.N.S.A.P faded away.

Their programs were also different.

After the "Anschluss" with Austria 1938 only Hitlers N.S.D.A.P existed in Bohemia/Sudetenland and Austria.

The programs of the Sudetenland and Austrian National Socialists developed under the Habsburg monarchy and in one single country at the time. Different German Worker parties developed in Vienna, Aussig, and Eger.

Hitler and the other leaders that would later play a major role in Nazi Germany were not involved in the creation of the original National Socialist programs, a fact which explains the differences between these programs and the actions of the German Nazi Party.

The 25 point Program of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) was proclaimed by Adolf Hitler at a large public gathering in Munich on February 24, 1920 when the group was still known as the German Workers Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or DAP).[4] The party kept the program when it changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party in April 1920 and it remained the official party program throughout the party's existence - though many of the demands listed in it were not carried out after the NSDAP eventually came to power. The program was adapted from Rudolf Jung's Austro-Bohemian program by Anton Drexler, Adolf Hitler, Gottfried Feder and Dietrich Eckart. Unlike the Austrian program, the NSDAP program makes no claims of being "liberal" or democratic, nor does it express an opposition to "reaction" or to aristocracy. However, it endorses democratic institutions such as the central parliament of Germany, and makes no mention of wishing to abolish democracy - on the contrary, by demanding that only Germans be allowed to vote, it implicitly assumes that voting would still take place under a NSDAP government. This is one of the several areas where real Nazi practice diverged from Nazi demands.

Several attempts were made in the 1920s to change some of the program or replace it entirely. For instance, in 1924, Gottfried Feder proposed a new 39-point program that kept some of the old planks, replaced others and added many completely new ones. However, all such attempts ultimately failed, because Hitler refused to allow any discussion of the party program after 1925.

en.wikipedia.org...

You can twist and try to spin this til your face turns blue! - but it does't change the fact that you are wrong!

The N.S.D.A.P were Right Wing authoritarian and not LEFTIST! - period!

And don't come here and be smug! - go back to the post I posted a few posts back for an Interview with Hitler made 1923 - where he defines the National Socialism of N.S.D.A.P and it is NOT Marxian Socialism!!

So they were not Socialists! - period!

please go back and read this posted interview!

And please do me a favor and read 'Mein Kampf' as well!

Edit:
dragonridr! you said:

Are you even aware that Austria was part of the German empire until 1918? You have a real problem looking far enough back in history i really don't want to have to explain every detail of history to you. This is why when Hitler reunited Austria with Germany every one ignored it which in itself was a mistake. Tired of being proved wrong yet?


No I'm not tired of proving you wrong yet!

And I can prove this to you right now! - Austria was NEVER a part of the German Empire the years from 1900 up til 1918!

en.wikipedia.org...

I feel so sorry for the kids if you are teaching them history!

This edit was written as an answer to dragonridr's post below!


[edit on 26-8-2009 by Chevalerous]


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 09:11 PM by dragonridr
reply to post by Chevalerous


Are you even aware that Austria was part of the German empire until 1918? You have a real problem looking far enough back in history i really don't want to have to explain every detail of history to you. This is why when Hitler reunited Austria with Germany every one ignored it which in itself was a mistake. Tired of being proved wrong yet?

PS why don't you see what started world war one and why an assassination in Austria started it!

[edit on 8/25/09 by dragonridr]


reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 09:19 PM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by Chevalerous


Are you even aware that Austria was part of the German empire until 1918? You have a real problem looking far enough back in history i really don't want to have to explain every detail of history to you. This is why when Hitler reunited Austria with Germany every one ignored it which in itself was a mistake. Tired of being proved wrong yet?

This sounds like "The Sound of Music".
They fled to Switzerland to escape the Nazis.
I'm glad i live in the USA. We have a constitution.
Land of the free.
Isn't it something that when the smart Germans fled Germany after
the book burnings they chose the USA.


[edit on 25-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]
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