U.S. Marine Stands Up for Our Rights Against Congressman – video, page 2
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reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 12:27 PM by octotom
reply to post by rogerstigers


My question is where the hell were these people when the Bank Bailout was being done. Where were these people when the Auto Bailout was being done.

Unfortunately, people were complacent back then. You know that as well as I do. But, there were people hootin' and hollerin' back then, just not at the scale [seemingly] that there is now. It's good that more people are willing to have their voices heard, hopefully it's not too late.


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 12:36 PM by undo
reply to post by CanadianDream420


not that i'm totally against obama's healthcare plan but i do need to point out that when people join the military, one of the perks is that you receive free healthcare. part of the reason for that is when you sign the dotted line in the military, you sign away your rights as a human being and citizen, in exchange for guarantees that should they use your body inappropriately or accidentally or as an act of war or as a result of experimental drugs, you will be compensated since it is often beyond the pale, most citizens have nothing to compare it to

in addition to potentially harmfully experimenting with the active duty member, his/her entire family may be negatively impacted, which results in loss of income across the household. it's because of these dangers that they automatically present you with free health care. afterall, they want to follow the results of their experiments.


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 01:18 PM by undo
reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


when you join the military, you join with the idea in mind that you will be defending the country. if the government uses you inappropriately in its defense, there is literally nothing you can do about it, because you've signed away your rights as a citizen and a human being. the only option is to get out and that is not easy to do in wartime. assuming he shouldn't have a voice about his ALREADY GUARANTEED FOR LIFE health insurance, is perhaps a bit presumptuous.


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 01:49 PM by undo
reply to post by uaocteaou


it is unlikely that my stance is partisan. i agree that it is NOT a good thing to let people die or be ill, when we have the medical means to save them! the problem is the implications attached to the plan. and there's the rub for just about everyone who opposes it. the plan needs a major overhaul, as its current form is causing way too much disagreement and controversy. when you've already promised people medical care of a certain caliber for the rest of their lives and made them serve you in some capacity, either financially or as an indentured servant in exchange for that care, you should consider that area off limits for downgrades. upgrades, fine, but downgrading, no, as they have already fulfilled their end of the contract.


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 02:02 PM by uaocteaou
reply to post by undo


I understand what you are saying undo, and I appreciate your demeanor. While I don't agree with you, I don't think your position is completely without merit, so I won't shout you down, insult you, suggest you go to another country, or construct some degrading assessment of your character from looking at your avitar.

For example: United Health Care posted approximately 800 MILLION in profit for the second quarter of this year Alone. That's up 155% from this time last year. How is that possible in the worst recession since the last depression. The CEO of that company "earns" more than 102,000.00 every hour. Yet we have millions of uninsured AMERICANS in this country.

This is America, we can afford to ensure the health care needs of ALL Americans, even if it's at the cost of a few mega-corporations. If that's socialism, then paint me red and call me a socialist.

This is America, we should all be ashamed.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by uaocteaou]


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 02:11 PM by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by uaocteaou


Thats just it, we CANT afford it, you cant just print money that we dont have the gold to back and expect it to be worth the paper its printed on.

Thats a HUGE argument against the proposed bill....

Ive educated myself on this bill and have spent weeks reading through this thing and still am.....

I think thats the thing tho, people ARE reading this,and that is why they are concerned.....whats more is they are OUTRAGED because they arent getting the answers to them, they are just getting demeaned by the media, and the politicians themselves are deflecting the answers.

Hell a lot of these politicians arent even reading this proposal. Obama hismelf was asked in an interview which was posted on here a while back, whether or not the private option would remain on the table or if it would be taken away, and in the interview he sated he wasnt sure, or wasnt aware of what the provisions in that part of the bill specified.....

Thats coming from the POTUS! The guy pushing so hard for this! People have a right to be concerned!

Whatever your stances are on this whole thing, I will tell you one thing, its very very clear we cannot even run the public health options on the table now efficiently and they are going broke, the government sure as hell cant do it on a scale that large..

We are in a huge amount of debt as a country, and we cannot financially support a bill like this as a nation.......as i stated above, you cant just print money willy nilly and keep up a plan like this.


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 02:14 PM by rogerstigers
Originally posted by uaocteaou
reply to post by undo


For example: United Health Care posted approximately 800 BILLION in profit for the second quarter of this year Alone. That's up 155% from this time last year. How is that possible in the worst recession since the last depression. The CEO of that company "earns" more than 102,000.00 every hour. Yet we have millions of uninsured AMERICANS in this country.


Excellent figures to point out here, but first, a correction. The number was $859 Million, not Billion.
WSJ: UnitedHealth 2Q Profit Doubles, Membership Declines.

Let me add to your point though. If we were to make require that all companies offering medical insurance be 100% not-for-profit and enforce that with some level of rigor, that $800 Million could either have gone to medical research or stayed in the pockets of the people buying the insurance.


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 02:21 PM by undo
reply to post by rogerstigers


as i mentioned above, some of the people effected by this plan, have already fulfilled their obligations for the level of health care they currently have. that needs to remain in place. some of those people have paid into the system their entire lives, so that in their senior years, they can be assured of the health care they were promised. that money was used for social programs to benefit the poor and needy as well. it's not like they just up and decided to be greedy and to present it that way is not only incorrect, it's so terribly disrespectful.


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 02:27 PM by rogerstigers
Originally posted by undo
reply to post by rogerstigers


as i mentioned above, some of the people effected by this plan, have already fulfilled their obligations for the level of health care they currently have. that needs to remain in place. some of those people have paid into the system their entire lives, so that in their senior years, they can be assured of the health care they were promised. that money was used for social programs to benefit the poor and needy as well. it's not like they just up and decided to be greedy and to present it that way is not only incorrect, it's so terribly disrespectful.


Undo, not sure what you are getting at here. My beef is with the insurance companies in much the same way that it is with the oil and pharma companies. They are an embarrassment of riches. They make filthy amounts of money, but do not give back to their community in an likewise manner. I applaude when a company can do well and make money on the bottom line, but when the people their industry services are being neglected, abused, or under-serviced -- or if their industry is the cause of harm either through exclusion or neglect, then that company is no longer being good citizen and there should be at least some leveling of the playing field.

Also, let me point out that I am a big opponent to the current plan(s?) on Capitol Hill. It is overly complicated, treats the symptoms rather than the disease, and will do nothing but take what's left of this economy and culture and drive it headling into the ground.



[edit on 8-24-2009 by rogerstigers]


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 02:40 PM by undo
reply to post by uaocteaou


i agree that we need to take care of our own. been saying this for awhile. and to some degree we have been taking care of our own. the problem appears to surface when the money paid doesn't get used appropriately or is wasted so that the same amount can be obtained the next year.

this, however, is not the fault of the people who have been paying (and many many people have paid into the system, so much money it's mind boggling). to then turn on them and accuse them of being greedy, selfish people, especially since they worked and paid out of their earnings for their entire lives, it's ........well you can see how that might be viewed.

it's like someone sending you a gift of money, every month for 30 years, and your response after 30 years is to call them greedy and selfish when you won't send them more money ...in that in their old age.....

honestly, you are right. we should be ashamed of ourselves for not realizing that WE are not the problem. It's more like this:

(the government) has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. - declaration of independence



reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 02:59 PM by undo
reply to post by uaocteaou


as i said, i don't have a problem with helping others and neither do the old folks that so many people are griping about. are they really giving an opt out? will they still allow the people receiving medicare and medicaid and va benefits to continue receiving them as they are currently designed? if not, that's not good.



[edit on 24-8-2009 by undo]


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 03:10 PM by uaocteaou
reply to post by undo


Well, Please forgive my "sterotypes". I was unaware that I was stereotying you, or anyone else. However, please accept my most sincere apology for any offense.


reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 03:16 PM by undo
reply to post by uaocteaou


you assumed i was protecting MY benefits. i don't even qualify for them. i was never healthy enough to pay into the system, either. spent most of my time so far, being too ill to work. (don't ask, it's not pretty). you called me "bro" when i'm "sis." and to think you were glad i wasn't dragging your avatar into the debate, then you turn around and make all those assumptions about me based on.....what? that i don't want people who have paid into the system for their entire lives to be harmed or robbed of their benefits? or that i think it's wrong to call them greedy and selfish when they've already paid for YEARS, to support people they don't even know? or that i think the military people have enough challenges as it is and tampering with what little they do get sounds like wrong? come on, does that sound like a person who is being greedy?

eye roll right back atcha.
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