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Thank You sir
One of the most important threads in a long time

It's funny though that what I consider to be some of the most important threads in ATS history get very little activity.

Anyhow thx for the article, i'll watch the video when I get home and comment again

Geat post. S&F! This is critical that the public knows that our gov't
is lying about why we are in Afghanistan and that we should pull
out and send our troops home.
I only watched the first video aand I'm curious if anyone speculated
on the REAL reasons we are there: is it the pipelines ?, is it to control
the poppy production? Those are my suspicions as to why in addition
to destabilizing the area, particularly Pakistan.
If true, how does that further a NWO agenda?

Why the hell are we listening to these guys, the same guys who made Afghanistan what it is? The CIA is the one making it dangerous, not the U.S. military.

S&F

Despite the CIA correcting Obama about Taliban having nothing to do with 9/11, we still live in a society where the term terrorism seem to be an umbrella grouping all of these different factions under it and as long as the media convince the American people that these people are terrorists, then the American people will not note the difference as it did after 9/11 when we invaded in Iraq and not Saudi Arabia. And it is not easy to "bring the troop home". It is a long process, but Obama did screw us. I read an article about the U.S. troops pulling out, only to read another article about an increase in troops in Afghanistan.

It is rather amazing how long we have been in Afghanistan, despite our advanced military and intelligence agencies. It is almost enough to spin another conspiracy.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Geat post. S&F! This is critical that the public knows that our gov't
is lying about why we are in Afghanistan and that we should pull
out and send our troops home.
I only watched the first video aand I'm curious if anyone speculated
on the REAL reasons we are there: is it the pipelines ?, is it to control
the poppy production? Those are my suspicions as to why in addition
to destabilizing the area, particularly Pakistan.
If true, how does that further a NWO agenda?

Denial of the mythological caliphate homeland. Suppression of attempts at isolating Russia and the trade routes through Asia, extending to denial of sewing up the shipping routes through the Horn of Africa.

Originally posted by DevilJin
S&F

Despite the CIA correcting Obama about Taliban having nothing to do with 9/11, we still live in a society where the term terrorism seem to be an umbrella grouping all of these different factions under it and as long as the media convince the American people that these people are terrorists, then the American people will not note the difference as it did after 9/11 when we invaded in Iraq and not Saudi Arabia. And it is not easy to "bring the troop home". It is a long process, but Obama did screw us. I read an article about the U.S. troops pulling out, only to read another article about an increase in troops in Afghanistan.

It is rather amazing how long we have been in Afghanistan, despite our advanced military and intelligence agencies. It is almost enough to spin another conspiracy.

It takes a lot longer to assure that the transformation that needs to happen to make them stop doing it stays, than it is to bomb the #ers and then leave them in rubble.

I mean, nice idea - but they were already living in the cave era. Bombing them back to it won't do anything to stop their elites.

Afghanistan's government, the Taliban, was the headquarters for the groups that were committing 911.

Those little lines on paper called borders don't mean anything, when all the elites are related through dense intermarriage to each other regardless of the borders.

You want to pretend that "poor Afghanistan and the Taliban" didn't do anything. When you aid and abet, and you provide the place to train, and you are the assigned Headquarters for the Pan-Islamic State....then you are the place to attack.

Those living in the large cities knew this - that is why they started evacuating on 911.

By the standards you are promoting NO country is responsible, and no group is responsible merely because you cannot pin it anywhere due to the nature of the religious-political-economic empire they are trying to establish.

While you may want to lay down before Islam, I do not. I will not allow you to pretend that solidifying an Islamic empire from South Africa to Kazakhstan, from Jersusalem to Indonesia is somehow in my best interests. Because it surely is not.

[edit on 2009/8/24 by Aeons]

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by DevilJin
S&F

Despite the CIA correcting Obama about Taliban having nothing to do with 9/11, we still live in a society where the term terrorism seem to be an umbrella grouping all of these different factions under it and as long as the media convince the American people that these people are terrorists, then the American people will not note the difference as it did after 9/11 when we invaded in Iraq and not Saudi Arabia. And it is not easy to "bring the troop home". It is a long process, but Obama did screw us. I read an article about the U.S. troops pulling out, only to read another article about an increase in troops in Afghanistan.

It is rather amazing how long we have been in Afghanistan, despite our advanced military and intelligence agencies. It is almost enough to spin another conspiracy.

It takes a lot longer to assure that the transformation that needs to happen to make them stop doing it stays, than it is to bomb the #ers and then leave them in rubble.

I mean, nice idea - but they were already living in the cave era. Bombing them back to it won't do anything to stop their elites.

I agree, but it is obviously not the intent of the U.S., in terms of interest, to help the Afghans, but to do something else. Maybe appease Americans on the war on terror? The War on Drugs worked the same in that it increased the drug trafficking and so on in the States than it did reduce it. My question is what IS the point of Afghan war? What hidden interest do the U.S. have? It really seems like the Taliban is the innocent ones here. I know they instituted their religion to the extreme and had Osama there, etc. But still, there are plenty of places like that and you do not see the U.S. attacking those places.

As for bombing, the Afghans have a long history of being difficult to defeat, despite what they lack, but now I bet they have fundings from Iran and other Islamic countries.

As we know IRAQ was ultimately invaded to support the US energy distrubution strategy as per PNAC document et al.

As we now also know AFGHANISTAN is being invaded to support the US energey distribution strategy and also as a strategic steppping stone in Asia thus nullifying any potential reliance upon Russian energy sources and distrubution.

On CNN last night it was reported that:

2001 total opium being produced in Afghanistan was 180 Tonnes

2007 total opium being produced in Afghahnistan is IRO 7800 Tonnes.

An increase of over 7000 Tonnes directly pro rata to the growth in US/NATO/UN Troops on the ground over the 7 year period.....

I also recall that opium did/does represent some 50-60% of Afghanistans GDP.

Given that the Taliban now control some 1/3rd of the country it begs the question - How is the Taliban being financed? Opium perhaps?

How can US and NATO/UN Troops patrol these poppy fields every day and ignore this? How can the higher echelons not see the connection between poppy growth and growth of Taliban?

Does it hark back perhaps to CIA Black Ops Drug Running in Central/South America?

Generals on CNN claim to be introducing new control to reduce poppy growth - well, as in Central and South America the local poor farmers simply get paid more for producing an acre of poppy harvest as opposed to an acre of agricultural harvest that would sustain the Afghan economy.

Also as in S and Central America the drug lords provide schools and healthcare to poor locals further providing incentive to grow poppy or similar.

John King did his best to lay his finger in the "poppy field" wound on CNN last night, albeit indirectly - the general was struggling for sure.

Its outrageous that any politician can get on the media podium and claim Afghanistan is about the safety of the Western World.

I am neither for or particularly against Obama vs any other politician - because one thing i know has been largely true over the ages: "Politicians will say and do anything to GET into power. They will then say and do anything to STAY in power" - and Obama is no exception.

As such I expect a continual stream of BS and illusion on Afghanistan or any other conflict that is for the "safety of the western world.

Thanks

Bravo

The USA has enough Petroleum. It is all stored in the best place for it currently - in the ground. Just because your reserves are unproven doesn't mean that they aren't there.

Russia can't get their petroleum out of the area. Has it occured to you that they are playing nice with the Muslims so that they can finish up doing what they have to, while at the same time working WITH the USA towards disrupting what is essentially a LOCAL problem for them.

The are bordered all along their main trade and transportation routes by Muslims.

They aren't playing nice because they have something going on. They are working with the USA towards keeping the area stablized into seperate countires.


As to Iraq. Even if it was about petroleum, which is really only part of the story, let us discuss that.

There is more than 300 years of petroleum in those fields. Those fields that are being developed in about the worst possible way. While you might be all concerned for independence, when the cheapest source of energy on the planet is used up and most of it was WASTED by criminal stupidity, you'd would look back on the people of this era and curse them for idiocy for not trying to do something to stop them from cointinuing to do so.

Why are we in Afghanistan?

1. To secure the land for pipelines.

2. To keep money flowing into the Military Industrial Complex.

3. To keep money flowing OUT OF the American Tax-payer's pocket.


Get rich, get power, get richer, get more power...

Same song and dance human societies have been doing for centuries, nay
millenia....


an addendum (slightly off-topic)

If we humans, as a species, do not conquer our instincts for competition
with reason, our instincts will conquer us. Looking in from a LONG way
off, the instinct to survive--built into any species, on any planet, must be
overcome once that species achieves sufficient technology to annihilate itself.
This is my greatest argument against aliens, and for God.

Now I'm going to put the bong down and have a taco supreme

[edit on 24-8-2009 by rival]

There is only so much money you can have before it doesn't mean anything. Particularly if you are part of a group that it making it.

So, while I see and hear that meme all the time - it seems that it appeals to the understanding of those of us who have to toil, to be accessible and made true through repitition.

But it doesn't pass the sniff test when you look objectively at it.

Look closer.

Being former military im all about doing what it takes to keep America and its citizens safe......but its time, enough is enough.....

If we want to protect ourselves and protect our country, its time to pull our troops back home, and do the smart thing........SECURE OUR BORDERS

Take the precautions HERE to make sure nothing we dont want gets in. Servers two fold, it cuts a huge hole in the illegal immigration and it keeps us safer while keeping our troops close at hand, AND we arent spending huge amounts of money for campaigns over seas...

If the government was truly concerned with its citizens it would do this, theres more behind whats going on, you dont ignore the common sense solution for one that over extends our country, unless theres dollar bills or something else behind it.

We can no longer afford to fight these drawn out battles in order to "keep our country safe, and help the world" When the rest of the world is starting to pull back.

Send out your cia operatives thats fine, do whatever you have to do, keep your spy sats up, thats all good and well....but its time to bring our boys home and protect our own land.....

We became a great country by protecting our own, its time we remembered that.

But you cannot go isolationist without you also excluding yourself and then making yourselves into a target or a victim.

So, that's a LOVELY fantasy. Very utopia agrarian. I know that appeals to a lot of people.

As a way of making sure that your country lasts for another ....maybe hundred years.... before you get completely wiped out by a dominating culture its PERFECT.

You live in a time of sharpening and densification of socio-religious-economic-cultural-linguistic thought forms. A time when there are more people on Earth than your ancestors could have ever imagined in their isolationism.

Your way won't save you. It'll just pacify until a more dominant force comes for you.

[edit on 2009/8/24 by Aeons]

[edit on 2009/8/24 by Aeons]