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Customers call for Whole Foods boycott

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posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Heatburger
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I did read the whole thread, but this here is reeeeally bugging me.

I found myself sick and in need of a trip to the ER last September. I'm sitting on $10K in medical bills that I'm slowly paying off. I'm 21 years old and my credit is already ruined, and I'm ten thoudand dollars in debt. Do I want this healthcare reform? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Not in it's current form at all. Haven't quite decided on a form I'd like, if there is one at all, but I definitely do not agree with this healthcare plan.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by Heatburger]


What specifics do you disagree with???

If it differs with the Death Panels and Socialisms chorus line...




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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I don't like the fact that I will have to pay a fine/tax whatever because I can't afford insurance through my employer, so I'll have to pay up and still take the "free" government health care. I'd rather stick with what I did, even if it did put me in debt. The payment plans I have arranged with the collections agencies all equal less than my employers insurance. I do plan on carrying private insurance here in the near future, but I have a feeling that may also skyrocket with the health care reform. Due to people being afraid of poor care in the "socialized" system.

I also don't like the end-of-life counseling thing, in the sense it may make elderly with no family feel like the might as well die.

And of course I don't like that there is a risk out healthcare quality would potentially deteriorate because of the doctors being paid less. (note, I did say potentially, it's not guaranteed)

[edit on 24-8-2009 by Heatburger]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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After reading your posts again, I'm sure I don't truly understand your point.

Could you expand on what you meant?

[edit on 8/24/2009 by Blaine91555]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by eradown
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Of course I believe the poor should have good health care ,but I do not believe that the same people who gave the world eugenics will really allow the poor to be given good health care. Those people want to make damn sure the middle class can no longer afford good health care. This is why they want access to bank accounts they want to make damn sure certain people do not have the money to go to Mexico for treatment. This in addition to Codex Alimentarius will give the heartless greasy men of the shadow government complete power of life and death over the innocent. I don't think they deserve such power.



Well yes, I think the ELITES look at a poor person as a dollar sign, and expanding a life expectancy is more gas for the machine more efficient. Whom do you think money
on mass goes to, non- WTO/WMF folks?

At the same time who do you think holds these insurance companies???

Might a blissfully ignorant person feed the machine more than a dead one?

History usually dictates, the illusion is the status quo...



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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After reading your posts again, I'm sure I don't truly understand your point.

Could you expand on what you meant?

[edit on 8/24/2009 by Blaine91555]


John, promotes and preaches the ethical treatment of cows which includes proper
"humane" health measures, exercise and medicine...

Point is he will promote the idealism of "humane" treatment, a cow is alive, it feels, etc... but does not extend similar notions to Americans -



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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This is what should happen. The government should hire doctors and set up clinics to treat poor people and the unemployed. The patients would have rights and privacy. This will not be cheap but it is the correct thing to do. Nothing the government does is ever is first class ,but the clinics do not need to be great to keep th poor healthy so that one day they will be wealthy enough not to need the government. This is all we really need at this time.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by eradown
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This is what should happen. The government should hire doctors and set up clinics to treat poor people and the unemployed. The patients would have rights and privacy. This will not be cheap but it is the correct thing to do. Nothing the government does is ever is first class ,but the clinics do not need to be great to keep th poor healthy so that one day they will be wealthy enough not to need the government. This is all we really need at this time.





Far enough


10 - 4!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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The problem is when you fight for a right to something that FORCES other Americans to go into debt for. That's the problem that we have here. Basic human rights does not feed off the wallet of citizens. It is free if only we adjust our tolerances or laws to accommodate it.

Everyone in their right mind knows that this supposed right to health care is being funded by your fellow man who can not afford the extra taxes!

What other rights do we have that forces and restricts a persons right to afford a living?

We all know that Blacks have the right to Vote, but imagine that in order for them to have that right, EVERY single American would have to pay a 5% increase in taxes to go towards "African American voting program". It's not that you do not support this right, but it's that you do not want to pay for others rights if you benefit nothing from it.


Once the Government pushes the rights of others onto your wallet like it is continually trying do, you have a problem that needs to be dealt with quickly.

You guys need to get your priorities straight!

[edit on 24-8-2009 by juzchilln]

[edit on 24-8-2009 by juzchilln]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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If we ask a Senator a question or express an opinion we get attacked personally. If an Obama supporter tries to destroy a decent persons business in retaliation for expressing their opinion they get the keys to the kingdom so to speak.

I wonder? What if the other side were to boycott anyone who employs anyone who agrees with Obama? Same thing exactly.

We need to rediscover what free speech without fear means. It certainly does not mean having to suffer financially if you don't happen to agree with the Party in power at the moment; now does it? It does not mean being accused of being a Nazi by Pelosi. It does not mean being accused of not wanting care for those in need because we don't want the government to do the same thing to health care they do to everything else. It does not mean we are evil because we know what we can or can not afford in hard economic times.

The Irony of all this is this man gives all his dividends to charity and the Far Left who are attacking him give the least to charity of any group in society.






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[edit on 8/24/2009 by Blaine91555]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Sorry but I think this is proof of how dumb the average person is.



Nah I think at most it is several thousand ppl or maybe even
several hundreds of thousands of ppl.

I also am fairly sure the most fiscally conservative ppl do not
feel that way either.

There is honestly a small portion of the population that want
full blown socialism, less than 50% for sure.

That is why there was such a huge uproar over the Obama joker
poster with the word socialism on it.

It will be harder to sell it if ppl make the plan known too early.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by aecreate
Frankly, we don't need you.


Oh, you are so wrong.

The last time I heard that from a company was from Sambo's.

Sambo's done went away after that.

Arrogant, overpriced, and opinionated. And often, well, can we say

a day or two overly organic



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:59 PM
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One of the things that is worng with society...amongst many things...is that Americans no longer know what "rights" are. You cannot claim "economic rights" while still possessing any real rights.

Real rights are things like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to a fair trial, the right to privacy. Economic rights would be the right to food, shelter, healthcare, anything material that somebody else has to produce. You can't have both. You can't claim any kind of freedom while demanding that the government take care of you.

Somebody to pay for healthcare. It is something that needs to be produced. Those who produce something are entitled to the fruits of their labor. You want to violate other people's rights to their own property.

Yeah, being poor sucks. Being sick sucks, too. That's not the point. It's about not punishing responsible behavior, and not rewarding irresponsible behavior. A lot of people who can afford health insurance don't have it, because they know they can go to the emergency room and make someone else pay for it. That is why Medicaid doesn't cover everyone without insurance - because not all of those people are really to poor to afford private insurance.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by whaaa
The reason I'm taking my business to anyone but Whole Foods is because Mr Mackay is a duffus for making anykind of statement.

I'm a small business man and I need all the costumers I can get and have enough sense to keep my mouth shut to keep from alienating anyone even if I disagree with them politically or otherwise.

Politics has nothing to do with it. He's a duffus!

Why would I want to give my business to a fool!!


My god your logic is so unbelievably arrogant and idiotic...

So because he was willing to sacrifice some business as to express his freedom of speech in making some very valid and important points -- you will actually go a long with this stupid little boycott?

You actually frown upon those who still hold onto their morals and principles tighter than they will money and business?

You really need to reevaluate your priorities in life, because it's people like you that are precisely what is wrong with the world today.

Who's really the fool?


[edit on 25/8/09 by Navieko]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by acrux

I hope you end up in a situation of no money & extremely sick, then see yourself crying for a right to healthcare.

Your the sort whom seem to think only being born to wealth gives you rights.

You are whats wrong with modern society.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by acrux]


So your high and mighty moral ground is to steal money from other people and give it to those whom you and your government feel is more deserving? Isn't that just petty theft?

It is not the job of government to provide charity. Especially since the confiscation of tax money and the forced redistribution of wealth is not charity at all. It is not done for the benefit of the poor nor is it administered fairly. In all cases government charity creates poverty and dependency and is completely immoral. It robs the average person from their responsibility to help those who are less fortunate. Moreover it absolves the giver from the responsibility of being accountable, both with regards to giving charity to the needy and with the responsibility of how that charity is administered.

It is still amazing to me, now that government is taking nearly half our pay, that private organizations and churches still out-give the government and do a better job of it as well. The Katrina hurricane disaster was a glaring example of this. FEMA actually turned away christian organizations who were mobilized and ready to help long before the government got their fat bureaucratic arses around to it.

So no, I don't want the governments pretend charity that steals from the middle class and gives free health care, primarily to illegal aliens. It is the government mandated monopoly of large private health insurance and the huge barriers to practicing medicine that have created our current overpriced system anyway. Thus we are being destroyed by a little communism and their solution is to do a lot of communism. Thanks but no thanks.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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Hey OP. Aren't you Canadian - enjoying free health care?
Way to stir up the #### when it doesn't even effect you.
Maybe moving down to the US would be something you would like to do?



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 04:10 AM
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I used to work for Trader Joes, Whole foods was one of our better competitors. So CEO's can't have opinions now? Personally I'm liberal in some areas and conservative in others. I do not take offense to his article at all. I shop for certain things that whole foods sells because they are good products.

While it is my opinion as a CEO it would be in your best interest to stay out of political issues, he's just another person, like you and I.

Is it a crime to speak your opinion now?



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:49 AM
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The latter point is a good point. Star for you.


People need to focus on real monsters like wal-mart.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
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If you believe everyone has a right to healthcare then you believe govt. giving it to you.
That's what's wrong with modern society, we want mobsters to be our saviors. We want to entrust our rights, money and health to mobsters.


In Australia we have national health care, Yes/No provided by government.

Yes run by government, No everybody pays for it with a percentage of their taxes. Everybody is taken care of & you also have the option of private health care with generous rebates from the government.

There are people who are in genuine circumstances where they could not afford private health. Do you prefer that a person has to pay tens of thousand for an operation they cannot forsee, then end up having to sell everything they own to pay for it.

You accuse me of wanting govenment control on things, sound like you want private corporations to control it & they are only interested in profits at the individuals expense.

In America medical companies rip people off for medicines, in Australia we have a system where medicines are heavily discounted & in the vast majority of times you end up less than $5 out of pocket for medicines hat may cost hundreds.

I hope your karma comes back to haunt you big time & cannot afford the medicine.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by acrux

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Sorry but I think this is proof of how dumb the average person is.
This guy was just giving his opinion, and a good one at that, and people all over are too dumb to understand it so they start boycotting it.
You only have the rights to keep your fruits of labor, after that it's up to you to do what you want with it.
Just being born on Earth doesn't guarantee you healthcare
People aren't very intelligent.


I hope you end up in a situation of no money & extremely sick, then see yourself crying for a right to healthcare.

Your the sort whom seem to think only being born to wealth gives you rights.

You are whats wrong with modern society.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by acrux]


What's wrong with modern society? "Feed me, clothe me, build me a house... I breathe, so I have rights!" Strange, the people I know on the lowest end of the economic spectrum have a real aversion to accepting handouts. On the other hand, there are a number of people who, given the choice of health insurance or a plasma TV would take the TV. That's their right. Who has the right to dictate where I buy healthcare insurance or who my providers are? The US government? Obama read the Robert Service biography of Joseph Stalin and thought is was a "how-to" book!



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by dreamseeker
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I think health care should be free. I am for equal health care for all!



Nothing is free.



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