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U.S. military says force in Afghanistan isn't big enough

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posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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U.S. military says force in Afghanistan isn't big enough


www.mercurynews.com

Military commanders with the NATO mission in Afghanistan told President Barack Obama's chief envoy to the region this weekend that they did not have enough troops to do their job, pushed past their limit by Taliban rebels who operated across borders.

The commanders emphasized problems in southern Afghanistan, where Taliban insurgents continue to bombard towns and villages with rockets despite a new influx of U.S. troops, and in eastern Afghanistan, where the father-and-son-led Haqqani network of militants has become the main source of attacks against U.S. soldiers and their Afghan allies.
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posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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The assessments about troop needs came as the top American commander in the region, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, has been working to complete a major war strategy review, and as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, described a worsening situation in Afghanistan despite the recent addition of 17,000 U.S. troops ordered by the Obama administration and the extra security efforts surrounding the presidential election.

"I think it is serious, and it is deteriorating," Mullen said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" program. "The Taliban insurgency has gotten better, more sophisticated, in their tactics."



With the forces added by the Obama administration, the total number of American soldiers and Marines in Afghanistan is now about 57,000.


The forces ADDED by the Obama administration. Yeah, thanks Obama, for coming through on the biggest campaign issue that put you in the White House: ENDING THE WAR AND BRINGING OUR TROOPS HOME.


Just what we needed. More dead American troops fighting a war of agenda. Not about freedom. Not about 9/11. About AGENDA. You and your NWO profits agenda. You have fooled the people again into believing that there was good in these wars. And so you will continue to perpetuate the wholesale destruction of innocent countries and ruin them with your depleted uranium. Way to go.


Get TF out of our White House, you jerk.


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posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 11:59 PM
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There is a significant difference between campaigning for the presidency, and actually being the President. The former does not carry with it the consequences and weight which the President must bear upon making a decision.

Obama is doing the right thing, with respect to Afghanistan, and shuld do more to remedy the situation there as quickly as possible. We MUST end our involvement there on a positive note and leave, hopefully, a more prosperous country and people behind. There is no other alternative but to secure Afghanistan and help rebuild it as a nation. Anything less and we risk going back to pre 9/11 Afghanistan. Wasting in the process countless resources and lives.

I understand the war is a burden, and that it is unpopular for a lot of reasons, some legitimate, most not. However, the solution is not to pull out overnight, that is not even an option. Nor is the solution a constant debate leading to indecision and half assed measures which will only prolong the conflict and create more political and military problems. The United States must fully commit in Afghanistan and stay committed until satisfactory conditions occur across the whole of the country.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:23 AM
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There is a significant difference between campaigning for the presidency, and actually being the President. The former does not carry with it the consequences and weight which the President must bear upon making a decision.


Also consider that once somebody becomes president of the United States, they are debriefed on all of the stuff that regular citizens know nothing about. To understand the true and vast extent of the US is a real mind changing experience. Promises do not run a superpower, only actions.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
There is a significant difference between campaigning for the presidency, and actually being the President.


Well if that's the case, then why is it these stupid politicians can't get that through their thick skulls, and lie through their teeth to the American people to gain office?

But I'll go beyond that here with you West. At its core I believe that notion to be not only wrong, but immoral. The presidency, especially in this case, carries with it the will of the American people. Or at least it should. The people spoke very clearly to end the war, just like they spoke out very clearly against the bailouts. And in both cases, they have been ignored, in favor of pursuing the agendas of the elite and powerful. And further, they want to use our money and blood to do it, all the time keeping us in the dark about what is REALLY going on.

No. HELL no. It has to stop. And it will stop or there will be blood. The kind that runs in the streets. Right now they are pushing so hard again with the health care issue, and topping it off with forced vaccinations on the swine flu issue. Add to all that taxation to the point of oblivion and yeah, you better believe the sleeping giant is awakening with vengeance, intolerance, and the will to fight to the death in his heart.


The former does not carry with it the consequences and weight which the President must bear upon making a decision.


Oh no- let's call a spade a spade here, West. You mean being a candidate doesn't carry the consequences and weight quite yet of making direct decisions advancing the agenda of the MIC, Isreal, and Big Oil. THAT'S really the deal here. Quit trying to sugarcoat this into something else. Maybe YOU ought to run for office?


Being a candidate carries with it even MORE weight, as the people try to elect someone who represents, and WILL ACT, upon their interests. The American people depend on the intent of politicians- delineated in their campaigns- ESPECIALLY during elections, to decide who they are going to vote for. But we can't even depend on THAT anymore.

I firmly believe that Obama won that election based upon his campaign stance of ending the war and bringing those troops home, and he SPAT in the face of every single American that did vote for him on that basis by not doing as he said he was going to do. The bottom line is once he got there he was told how it was going to be, instead of carrying forward the will of the people to end this war and get our troops home, no matter what. The people spoke clearly. And he either sold out, was threatened, or became privy to some insider knowledge that caused him to do an about face 180.


Obama is doing the right thing, with respect to Afghanistan, and shuld do more to remedy the situation there as quickly as possible.


How many more people need to die before these idiots realize that you are not going to win a guerilla war against the Taliban on their own turf unless you nuke all of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and parts of Iraq? You figure someone would have learned something from the Soviet fiasco there by now. But noooooooo, keep sending troops home in body bags, and raping this economy into eternal debt for our kids.


We MUST end our involvement there on a positive note and leave, hopefully, a more prosperous country and people behind. There is no other alternative but to secure Afghanistan and help rebuild it as a nation. Anything less and we risk going back to pre 9/11 Afghanistan. Wasting in the process countless resources and lives.


Oh, you mean the countless resources and lives that could have been saved if Obama had kept his promise to begin with and ended this nonsense like he said he was going to do? Oh yeah, THOSE lives...uh huh. Here it is, West. Obama himself saying what he was going to do his very first day in office:



The American people have been deceived. PERIOD. END OF STORY. It is not right- especially from someone who can't even prove he qualifies the for fricken office.


Instead you know what he did very first day in office West? This:

Executive Order 13489

edocket.access.gpo.gov...


Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records

When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”


And you wonder why there is anger in the streets? Why so many people are fed up with this system and are ready to take back this country in a violent revolution if necessary? It is not working man. Not working at all. And the corruption is so systemic and pervasive that only one option is becoming apparent to many of us anymore, Westpoint. Diplomacy and patience has worn thin to the breaking point.


I understand the war is a burden, and that it is unpopular for a lot of reasons, some legitimate, most not. However, the solution is not to pull out overnight, that is not even an option. Nor is the solution a constant debate leading to indecision and half assed measures which will only prolong the conflict and create more political and military problems. The United States must fully commit in Afghanistan and stay committed until satisfactory conditions occur across the whole of the country.


Satisfactory conditions for WHO, Westpoint? The Taliban are currently slicing the fingers off anyone they can get their hands on who voted. Not that I agree with that, mind you, but the point is- leave these people alone. They have their own rules and customs and no amount of American or other imperialistic wars fought under the facade of Freedom is going to change that.

I sincerely don't understand why the PTB haven't just nuked the place entirely- because clearly collateral damage is not a global concern. It may be written in your military manuals to keep helicopter guns pointed away from civilians, but the people sending you there to fight could give a rats ass.

Well maybe I really do understand why they don't nuke the place- it doesn't bode well for business. For money. For power. For slavery. For control. For evil.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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I guess Obama's loyalty is with The Family, and not the American people.




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