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Quarantine or 30 day jail for refusing the toxic H1N1 vaccine

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posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 03:03 AM
I just can't believe that, they think we are so stupid, that we can be played any way they want.

The people are starting to wake up, but most it seems are still asleeep, don't even relize the wild ride these fools are about to take us on.

It reminds me of, something like the ship is sinking, and one of the crew member goes up to the Captains and says, Hey the ship is on FIRE and going to SINK, they just look at him and say Ok, and steam foward full speed.
Well you know if someone had listened, we wouldn't be going in the water now.
Maybe the crew member, should have said hey the ship is on fire and we are about to sink if we don't put out fire, then, right then, took some of the burnig embers of wood, and cramed them right up the Captain's Arse, got some attention, we would all be high and dry right now.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by googolplex]

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 07:43 AM
So when it comes to the vaccine ,thiers two options qurarantine or 30 days in jail,i understand the qurarantine, but the 30 days in jail and 1,000 dollar fine every day if one would not take the vaccine has me wondering,so i would get chaRGED alot of money and after 30 days in jail i'm fine i don't need the vaccine whatever, what else'im wondering if any thing else has spread across the earth like this diseise has,i'm going to have to do a little studing,but as far as i know as long as i been alive i havn't heard of any thing spreading like swine flu swine flu manmade,unless it's really contagious,dang it i wish i knew more about this,i guess it's time to do some studing on this,today

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Shadow_Lord

I think that is the misconception with most people. And also the misconception about the treatment.

The swine flu is in the same family as the "Spanish Flu". What is really scary is all the people who say they are in the medical field, and do not know that. Defiantly not anyone I would want to treat me for anything...

Long story short, the Spanish flu is worse than the black death. The reason this strain is being watched and monitored so much is because it is so closely related to the Spanish flu. If it mutates, who knows what it could do.

This begs the question. Is it the persons "right" to endanger others by not getting the vaccine? Imagine if the Bubonic plague had a vaccine that "cured" it, and a small minority of the populace refused it. Would we risk the deaths of a large percentage of the population based upon the rights of the few individuals.

This is the the ethical dilemma that we in the medical field encounter, And to be blunt, If a few individuals endanger the health of the majority. The few individuals will be isolated from society, and if need be, eradicated for the needs of the many. Exp. A few years ago, the ebola virus struck a village in Africa. Etoumbi.

BTW- By law, People who are incarcerated can not refuse a mantoux test. If they do refuse, they will be charged with misdemeanor, be held in a isolation cell until such a time that they are shown to be negative either by chest x-ray or cooperation in receiving the mantoux injection.

Such could happen with a required "Vaccine" as well.

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 08:48 AM
reply to post by Ha`la`tha

Hey no problem somebody's gotta do it!!!

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 10:47 AM
I still don't hear them saying a thing about involuntary vaccination. As for the power of quarantine, they've had that for hundreds of years. So - where's the big problem?

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 12:50 PM
basically what they're sayin is "we're either gonna kill you or kill you", lol

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 03:00 PM
I would like to be infected by a documented swine flu case. Possibly get inoculated by 5-10 people of the same virus and then treat it naturally. I think we should make known cases of herbal remedies to the masses.

Let's be on your best guard to the drug industry. This is obviously a test campaign for a new fear based medical establishment.

I am not afraid of swine flu or most viruses. I know I have been vaccinated too many times. The link between childhood autism and vaccines is apparent. TOo bad the medical establishment says that is hogwash.

The principal ingredient for preserving vaccines is mercury and anti-freeze. I don't that we should force that on anybody.

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 04:48 PM
All of you need to peruse the following website:


posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 04:51 PM
The Problem is now is Australia going to follow USA's lead?

At the Moment it looks like an October Release time line here.

I found this article on Google this morning while still hot off the Press.
It's very interesting and names the Medical Professional probably pushing this stuff to pass there.

and look at the Media Spin on this.

If Mercury & Anti-freeze are used for storage of vaccines
( These are Industrial Substances as Mercury is Classified as an Heavy Metal with Beryllium and Cadmium and Anti-freeze (Ethylene Glycol) using in various Cooling Applications down to Cooling the radiator in your Automobile),
there is an immediate danger here of contamination if glass vials break or vials develop fissures or cracks through vibration.
[edit on 25/8/2009 by Hartsford007]

[edit on 25/8/2009 by Hartsford007]

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 05:33 PM
I think I will live is the swine flu hits me. I might get real sick but, nothing I cant handle with Vitamin C and traditional home remedies. My Mother is an experienced herbalist so I hardly have to go to the hospital for any sickness. This has the extra benefit of not exposing my body to all of the antibiotics from the pharmacy. I think that those who will be hit the hardest are those already on antibiotics. Because the swine flu like the Spanish flu creates a cytokine storm which is basically an over reactive immune system response. So if your already on something and you catch swine flu, your body will basically fight itself. Avoid a cytokine storm by using herbs instead of drugs.

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:26 PM
Im not being funny but its swine flu. Not swine MRSA, not swine aids.. swine FLU.

If you keep yourself healthy, take your vitamins and whatnot then I really dont understand the fuss. I know its a little more agressive than your average flu, but people really are over-hyping it.

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:31 PM
reply to post by Bluebelle

Agreed lets use our body for something its been doing for thousands of years

If i had the choice between those to jail or quarantine hows runing away hiding make them find me

then and only then they can try and jail or quarntine me

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 06:58 PM
reply to post by ravenshadow13

Wow... tons, 120 people have taken the vaccine in 2009.. wow, tons of 1s of people!!!

You should do research before posting... in 1972 1 person died from the H1N1 virus, but 25 died from the vaccine... watch a little Ron Paul, it'll do you good as well

Ron Paul on h1n1

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 08:36 PM
Our pediatrician was just talking about the Swine flue vaccine the other day. He said he has his doubts about even getting it himself or his kids. Says that he just doesnt know what the hell is in it yet and theyve been pushing it on him hard. He wont administer it if he doesnt get it first himself. I agree that my wife, my daughter and myself will NOT be getting it.

For those that need credibility: Dr. Satish Namjoshi of Scottsdale Childrens group.

Satish Namjoshi, M.D., F.A.A.P.
Dr. Namjoshi is a graduate of Kakatiya Medical College at Osamania University in Hyderabad, India. He completed his pediatric residency at St. Vincent's Medical center in New York. He has been practicing pediatrics for 21 years and has been in the valley since 1992 and is certified by the American Board of Pediatrics. He has been recognized as one of the “Best Doctors in America” and “America’s top pediatric doctors of 2008” by Consumer Research Council. He is an avid sports fan and also enjoys biking, exercising, cooking and spending time with his wife and two children. He served as the Chairman of the Pediatric Committee at Scottsdale Healthcare-Shea and sits on the strategic Planning Committee of Scottsdale Healthcare.

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 08:41 PM
I will also NOT be taking the shot along with the whole bunch of you. I am glad we are mostly together on ATS in this.

"It is a good day to die"

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 08:47 PM
I'm sure someone posted this already, I am sorry if someone has, but once you are in jail, they will make you take it because you are in a government run facility/FEMA.

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 09:06 PM
I didn't get a chance to read whole thread don't know if this was posted...

Here's a good article from a reliable source, normally I would just quote a portion, but I think it's important enough to post whole article.

According to Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, your children should be the first target for mass swine flu vaccinations when school starts this fall.

This is a ridiculous assumption for many reasons, not to mention extremely high risk.

In Australia, where the winter season has begun, Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon is reassuring parents the swine flu is no more dangerous than regular seasonal flu. "Most people, including children, will experience very mild symptoms and recover without any medical intervention," she said.[ii]

Sydney-based immunization specialist Robert Booy predicts swine flu might be fatal to about twice as many children in the coming year as regular influenza. Booy estimates 10-12 children could die from the H1N1 virus, compared with the five or six regular flu deaths seen among children in an average year in Australia.[iii]

“Cure the Disease, Kill the Patient”

Less than 100 children in the U.S. die each year from seasonal flu viruses.[iv] If we use Australia’s math, a very rough estimate would be another 100 children could potentially die of swine flu in the United States in the coming year.

If children are the first target group in the U.S. per Sebelius, that means we’re about to inject around 75 million children with a fast tracked vaccine containing novel adjuvants, including dangerous squalene, to prevent perhaps 100 deaths.

I’m not overlooking the tragedy of the loss of even one child to an illness like the H1N1 flu virus. But there can be no argument that unnecessary mass injection of millions of children with a vaccine containing an adjuvant known to cause a host of debilitating autoimmune diseases is a reckless, dangerous plan.

Why are Vaccinations Dangerous?

The presumed intent of a vaccination is to help you build immunity to potentially harmful organisms that cause illness and disease. However, your body’s immune system is already designed to do this in response to organisms which invade your body naturally.

Most disease-causing organisms enter your body through the mucous membranes of your nose, mouth, pulmonary system or your digestive tract – not through an injection.

These mucous membranes have their own immune system, called the IgA immune system. It is a different system from the one activated when a vaccine is injected into your body.

Your IgA immune system is your body’s first line of defense. Its job is to fight off invading organisms at their entry points, reducing or even eliminating the need for activation of your body’s immune system.

When a virus is injected into your body in a vaccine, and especially when combined with an immune adjuvant like squalene, your IgA immune system is bypassed and your body’s immune system kicks into high gear in response to the vaccination.

Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage to your health.

And as if Vaccines Weren’t Dangerous Enough on Their Own …

… imagine them turbocharged.

The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful).

Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.

The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against.

Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and the number of doses given per individual.

Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make millions from their vaccines.

Will There Be Immune Adjuvants in Swine Flu Vaccines?

The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines.

The adjuvant? Squalene.

According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine,

“A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.”[v]

Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

What Squalene Does to Rats

Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.[vi]

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.[vii]

The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.


posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 09:07 PM

What Squalene Does to Humans

Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

The difference between “good” and “bad” squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system.[viii]

Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.[ix] MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.[x]

The Department of Defense made every attempt to deny that squalene was indeed an added contaminant in the anthrax vaccine administered to Persian Gulf war military personnel – deployed and non-deployed – as well as participants in the more recent Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP).

However, the FDA discovered the presence of squalene in certain lots of AVIP product. A test was developed to detect anti-squalene antibodies in GWS patients, and a clear link was established between the contaminated product and all the GWS sufferers who had been injected with the vaccine containing squalene.

A study conducted at Tulane Medical School and published in the February 2000 issue of Experimental Molecular Pathology included these stunning statistics:

“ … the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene.

In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene. Neither patients with idiopathic autoimmune disease nor healthy controls had detectable serum antibodies to squalene. The majority of symptomatic GWS patients had serum antibodies to squalene.”[xi]

According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a former principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

“… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War Syndrome," documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii]

Post Vaccination Follow-Up Might as Well Be Non-Existent

There is virtually no science to support the safety of vaccine injections on your long-term health or the health of your children. Follow-up studies last on average about two weeks, and look only for glaring injuries and illnesses.

Autoimmune disorders like those seen in Gulf War Syndrome frequently take years to diagnose due to the vagueness of early symptoms. Complaints like headaches, fatigue and chronic aches and pains are symptoms of many different illnesses and diseases.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for vaccine purveyors and proponents to look seriously at the long-term health consequences of their vaccination campaigns.

Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed

[edit on 25-8-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib]

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 09:42 PM
its the next boogie man.

The invisible threat. Not unlike Obama...oops....Osama. Excuse me!

I think they need a vaccine for mass hysteria and ignorance.

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 09:55 PM
Easy solution if it does become mandatory which I am 99% sure it will NOT.

Flu vaccines are cultured in eggs. Say, "I am sorry Mr. Whoever is forcing the vaccine, I have a deadly egg allergy and will die if exposed to any egg products so I have to take my chances."

No vaccine for me!

Also, whoever is saying just say I already got the vaccine at some random clinic. That won't work. Immunization records are on your health records last I checked.

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