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posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


Both.
Or what I presume were natural cirrus.




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


Both.
Or what I presume were natural cirrus.


Okay, its going to be a hard one to see, as Im not sure what you are seeing. Will wait for the 23z flight though, as the other one was done almost 12 hours ago, so it could give a misrepresentation of the upper troposphere. If there was cirrus, Im assuming there will be some moisture content up there, but not very much



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by brocket99
Just so everyone knows:

Clear blue skies all day today in Seattle, WA.



Thanks brocket, will check out the upper weather conditions in Washington when the 23 z flight goes up.


[edit on 24/8/2009 by OzWeatherman]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:17 PM
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There is a bit of it. But like you said, not much.

Actually though, I'm about to head to the park for a birthday party. I'll snap a few photos.
Later.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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This may not be exactly a chemtrail but it would be a GREAT way to hide chems in it.

Mysterous clouds




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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Not really.

They are rare, they occur only in certain areas, in this case extremely sparsely populated.....and....oh, you were joking!!



Known as Morning Glory clouds, they appear every fall over Burketown, Queensland, Australia, a remote town with fewer than 200 residents....



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Roadblockx
This may not be exactly a chemtrail but it would be a GREAT way to hide chems in it.

Mysterous clouds



Yeah thats what we call the "Morning Glory" here in Australia.I will see if I can get a satellite image of them next time it happens. They actually show up quite well



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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This ones for Brocket in Seattle



300.0 9450 -39.5 -52.5 24 0.10 215 50 329.6 330.0 329.6
298.0 9496 -39.9 -51.9 27 0.11 215 50 329.6 330.1 329.7
262.0 10361 -47.9 -58.9 27 0.05 211 54 330.3 330.5 330.3
254.0 10565 -48.1 -60.1 24 0.05 210 55 332.9 333.1 332.9
250.0 10670 -48.9 -60.9 23 0.04 210 55 333.2 333.4 333.2
227.0 11296 -54.3 -65.3 25 0.03 210 56 334.3 334.4 334.3
216.0 11613 -55.3 -66.3 24 0.02 210 57 337.5 337.6 337.5
206.0 11914 -57.5 -68.5 23 0.02 210 58 338.7 338.8 338.7
200.0 12100 -58.3 -69.3 23 0.02 210 58 340.3 340.4 340.3
192.0 12357 -58.5 -69.5 23 0.02 213 59 344.0 344.0 344.0
188.0 12489 -59.7 -70.7 23 0.01 215 60 344.1 344.2 344.1
187.8 12497 -59.6 -70.7 23 0.01 215 60 344.3 344.4 344.3
178.9 12802 -57.5 -69.2 21 0.02 215 43 352.6 352.7 352.6
175.0 12942 -56.5 -68.5 21 0.02 214 43 356.5 356.6 356.5
172.0 13051 -57.3 -69.3 20 0.02 214 43 356.9 357.0 356.9
158.0 13590 -56.5 -69.5 18 0.02 211 42 367.0 367.1 367.0
150.0 13920 -57.1 -70.1 18 0.02 210 41 371.5 371.6 371.5


Brocket confirmed that he never saw any contrails, only clear sky, the weather balloon data confirms it



[edit on 24/8/2009 by OzWeatherman]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


There is a bit of it. But like you said, not much.

Actually though, I'm about to head to the park for a birthday party. I'll snap a few photos.
Later.


This data is from North Little Rock, Arkansas



432.9 7010 -16.5 -31.2 27 0.66 355 21 326.0 328.5 326.1
422.0 7203 -18.3 -31.3 31 0.67 14 24 326.1 328.6 326.2
415.7 7315 -18.8 -34.5 24 0.50 25 25 326.8 328.7 326.9
408.0 7453 -19.5 -38.5 17 0.34 23 28 327.7 329.0 327.8
400.0 7600 -20.3 -41.3 14 0.26 20 31 328.5 329.6 328.6
398.9 7620 -20.4 -41.4 13 0.26 20 32 328.6 329.6 328.6
378.0 8018 -23.1 -44.1 13 0.20 17 38 330.2 331.0 330.2
366.9 8230 -24.9 -45.7 13 0.17 15 41 330.7 331.4 330.7
337.0 8839 -29.9 -50.4 12 0.11 25 42 332.0 332.4 332.0
322.9 9144 -32.4 -52.7 11 0.09 20 42 332.6 333.0 332.6
300.0 9670 -36.7 -56.7 11 0.06 5 43 333.5 333.8 333.5
296.3 9754 -37.4 -57.2 11 0.06 5 45 333.7 333.9 333.7
278.0 10190 -41.1 -60.1 11 0.04 13 48 334.5 334.7 334.5
250.0 10900 -46.9 -64.9 11 0.02 25 54 336.2 336.3 336.2
225.2 11582 -52.6 -67.3 15 0.02 30 60 337.6 337.7 337.6
220.0 11734 -53.9 -67.9 16 0.02 34 57 337.9 338.0 337.9
208.0 12092 -56.3 -69.3 18 0.02 43 50 339.6 339.7 339.6
204.7 12192 -56.9 -69.9 18 0.02 45 48 340.3 340.4 340.3
200.0 12340 -57.7 -70.7 18 0.01 40 46 341.2 341.3 341.2
195.1 12497 -57.7 -70.7 18 0.01 30 41 343.7 343.7 343.7
192.0 12597 -57.7 -70.7 18 0.01 27 42 345.2 345.3 345.2
177.0 13106 -59.6 -71.6 19 0.01 10 48 350.3 350.3 350.3


I included a little bit of extra data at the start to include the lower limits of where high clouds (cirrus etc) are found. Not much happening here either, although Jay did report some cirrus....not much though



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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After enough data is taken and observed, it might be an idea to predict whether or not the posters will see contrails that day or not.

Obviously we have to be honest, and the conditions have to be right...no normal cloud cover, but I think you're up for it.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by brocket99
After enough data is taken and observed, it might be an idea to predict whether or not the posters will see contrails that day or not.

Obviously we have to be honest, and the conditions have to be right...no normal cloud cover, but I think you're up for it.


Yeah thats possible. The only problem is you have to also incorperate forecasting into it in case the weather changes rapidly, ie if a frontal system is approaching rapidly



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Phage pointed out something to me just then for Seattle.

If there were a plane flying at 37,000ft there (unlickely however), it would possibly be moist enough to create a persistent contrail, according to the Appleman chart. So Brocket, keep an eye out for any planes

asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...

Thanks for pointing that out Phage


[edit on 24/8/2009 by OzWeatherman]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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Well, if he can catch an airplane passing over...perhaps enroute Anchorage, or a Canadian city to somewhere before it gets too dark....just checked, nothing passing by right now, and it's 1845 local, so Sun is about to set. Hmmm....should make any contrails easier to see, actually!!!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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Unbelievably clear skies in central PA today. I actually can't wait to go for my nightly run because the stars are so clear.

Finally, the humidity is gone and I can breath! Feels like fall is coming.

One contrail today. It was wispy and didn't stay for long at all.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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Well, if he can catch an airplane passing over...perhaps enroute Anchorage, or a Canadian city to somewhere before it gets too dark....just checked, nothing passing by right now, and it's 1845 local, so Sun is about to set. Hmmm....should make any contrails easier to see, actually!!!


Well if the moon is out it should


Thanks for that by the way WW



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by SantaClaus
Unbelievably clear skies in central PA today. I actually can't wait to go for my nightly run because the stars are so clear.

Finally, the humidity is gone and I can breath! Feels like fall is coming.

One contrail today. It was wispy and didn't stay for long at all.


Yep, this pretty much confirms that observation for PA, observations from Pittsburgh



300.0 9590 -38.5 -62.5 6 0.03 35 46 331.0 331.1 331.0
286.0 9917 -41.5 -64.5 6 0.02 35 52 331.2 331.4 331.2
264.0 10457 -44.3 -66.3 7 0.02 35 63 334.8 334.9 334.8
255.8 10668 -45.8 -67.2 7 0.02 35 67 335.6 335.7 335.6
251.0 10793 -46.7 -67.8 7 0.02 35 67 336.1 336.2 336.1
250.0 10820 -46.9 -67.9 7 0.02 35 66 336.2 336.3 336.2
234.0 11257 -50.1 -69.1 9 0.01 34 52 337.8 337.8 337.8
225.0 11513 -51.1 -70.1 9 0.01 33 44 340.1 340.1 340.1
221.0 11630 -50.5 -69.5 9 0.01 32 40 342.7 342.8 342.7
213.0 11871 -51.9 -69.9 10 0.01 31 32 344.2 344.2 344.2
202.0 12215 -51.7 -70.7 8 0.01 30 21 349.7 349.8 349.7
200.0 12280 -52.1 -71.1 8 0.01 30 19 350.1 350.2 350.1
191.0 12577 -54.1 -72.1 9 0.01 2 13 351.5 351.6 351.5
185.0 12782 -53.5 -71.5 9 0.01 342 9 355.7 355.8 355.7
184.4 12802 -53.6 -71.5 9 0.01 340 9 355.9 356.0 355.9
172.0 13249 -54.9 -71.9 10 0.01 322 13 360.9 361.0 360.9



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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Clouds are all but gone now. But here is one of the contrails.



Hope that wasn't too big.

Edit - Good, wasn't TOO big. I'll put up a couple more.
Pics aren't very good, I was a bit distracted.


[edit on 24-8-2009 by JayinAR]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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Here is another photo of the trails...



And here is one of the general cloud cover. Or at this point, the lack thereof.

Taken at about 7:00pm CST or 1900hrs.



Now that I look through my photos, I think that every cloud I saw this afternoon was the result of a contrail. The moisture must be up way up there.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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Here are the local conditions on the ground...

74.6 °F
Clear
Humidity: 62%
Dew Point: 61 °F
Wind: 3.0 mphfrom the South
Wind Gust: 3.0 mph
Pressure: 29.73 in (Steady)
Heat Index: 77 °F
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 0 out of 16
Clouds: Clear -
(Above Ground Level)

Looks like the wind has picked up from the south just a tad and brought the humidity up about 10%. More moisture. But still not much. There are virtually no clouds in the sky.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR

Looks like the wind has picked up from the south just a tad and brought the humidity up about 10%. More moisture. But still not much. There are virtually no clouds in the sky.


Yeah balloon data confirms that

Even the lower layers confirm that, although its quite moist at around 3000 feet, but an inversion is sitting there I think, trapping the mositure in



829.0 1769 19.0 -13.0 10 1.70 36 10 308.2 313.9 308.6
823.2 1829 18.6 -12.8 11 1.74 35 10 308.5 314.3 308.8
794.2 2134 16.7 -12.0 13 1.92 0 5 309.6 316.0 310.0
766.3 2438 14.8 -11.2 15 2.13 40 7 310.7 317.8 311.1
766.0 2442 14.8 -11.2 16 2.13 40 7 310.7 317.8 311.1
739.0 2743 13.5 -13.0 15 1.92 30 9 312.6 319.0 312.9
712.0 3056 12.2 -14.8 14 1.71 16 10 314.4 320.3 314.8
700.0 3198 11.2 -15.8 13 1.60 10 10 314.9 320.4 315.2
664.0 3636 8.2 -15.8 17 1.69 15 12 316.3 322.1 316.6
662.2 3658 8.0 -15.7 17 1.70 15 12 316.3 322.1 316.6
614.6 4267 2.4 -13.9 29 2.14 25 10 316.7 323.9 317.1
613.0 4288 2.2 -13.8 30 2.16 25 10 316.7 324.0 317.1
604.0 4407 2.2 -18.8 19 1.44 24 10 318.0 323.1 318.3
595.0 4528 1.4 -16.6 25 1.76 23 11 318.4 324.6 318.8





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